OP exhibits an astounding lack of knowledge here. This was one game bro. One game proves nothing.
What brilliant retort this was - top quality stuff.
It actually it proved a lot - because the narrative around the league - whether it be coaches, media etc, was that despite being a good guy and obviously well versed in the sport having played for 14 years, there was no way a "guy could walk in off the street with no experience in coaching" and be successful in the NFL.
"This one game" proved that it is in fact possible because they won the game. If the narrative was correct they would have lost comprehensively, which they didn't. It's actually this simple and you're a f-ing twit (shrugs shoulders)
1 game doesn't mean "successful." Saturday got lucky that he went up against one of the actual worst head coaches of all time.
If he has a great finish to the season, he's going to 2-4 the rest of the way. Let's not get too knobslobbery over beating Josh McDaniel.
OP exhibits an astounding lack of knowledge here. This was one game bro. One game proves nothing.
To add to this, a lot of interim coaches win their first game and then lose a lot. Not necessarily because they are a bad coach, but any coach that gets fired mid season is on a terrible team. The Colts got lucky to play the hapless Raiders.
Anyways, Saturday should be a good coach. The center is the General of a team's offense. The QB gets all the credit, but the center has to read the defense in an instant and direct his blockers accordingly. He has all the tools to be a great coach.
Yeah there's that long list of former centers-turned-head-coach.
What brilliant retort this was - top quality stuff.
It actually it proved a lot - because the narrative around the league - whether it be coaches, media etc, was that despite being a good guy and obviously well versed in the sport having played for 14 years, there was no way a "guy could walk in off the street with no experience in coaching" and be successful in the NFL.
"This one game" proved that it is in fact possible because they won the game. If the narrative was correct they would have lost comprehensively, which they didn't. It's actually this simple and you're a f-ing twit (shrugs shoulders)
1 game doesn't mean "successful." Saturday got lucky that he went up against one of the actual worst head coaches of all time.
If he has a great finish to the season, he's going to 2-4 the rest of the way. Let's not get too knobslobbery over beating Josh McDaniel.
Okay so whats then your contention - that you can only win a game in the NFL if you have come "through the system" as either a college coach of high repute and/or were a co-ordinator on an NFL team before? Do you need prior coaching experience in the NFL to win a game as coach - yes or no?
"1 game doesn't mean successful" - by what metric - a season long metric? Sure - nobody going 1-16 in a coaching role is considered successful. But that's not what the thread is about nor was this 1 win ever put in that context. The narrative was it was crazy to put in a guy with no NFL "coaching" experience, presumably because you can't win a game without it. He won a game, thus debunking that narrative. End of discussion.
Yeah so the irrelevant Colts beat the irrelevant Raiders. And past this season nobody will remember this game....
BUT, what a moment this was in terms of exposing the idiotic narrative that to be a coach in the NFL it's all about "doing your time", having the right "pedigree", how deep and complex your stupid f-ing playbook is. Today was the ultimate middle finger to the Freemasons society which is NFL coaching - and yes we have seen it challenged in recent years by younger "cooler" head coaches becoming fashionable, but never so much as today when Saturday, a guy with zero coaching experience past helping out as his kids pop warner games, came in and got a group of mean to dominate a guy who came from the "vaunted" and "revered" school of Belichikenism.
Just goes to show that a little EQ, a little respect and understanding culture is far more effective with grown adults than discipline, installation of fear and bullying (all things Josh McDaniels is well known for) when it comes to the NFL, and probably almost anything in life. Who would have thought.
Again, maybe this means nothing. But maybe it has kicked open the door and exposed things for what they really are in the NFL and will create opportunities for people from far more diverse backgrounds and mindsets moving forwards. Either way I loved it - good stuff JS.
I would recommend strongly against making wide sweeping conclusions based off 1 game.
absolutely. i am so sick of these activist analysts trying to tell everybody how to do their job. the colts can hire whoever they damn well please. criticize them if you want, but the vitriol by guys like cowher was just ridiculous. it's a damn game. obviously the colts have seen something in him that they love. they should be able to make the choice they want.
I do not recall anyone saying the Colts could not hire who they wanted. Plenty of people were doing just what you are suggesting--criticizing the hire.
Yes it is a game, but it is also a business and men's livelihoods are potentially affected.
OP exhibits an astounding lack of knowledge here. This was one game bro. One game proves nothing.
What brilliant retort this was - top quality stuff.
It actually it proved a lot - because the narrative around the league - whether it be coaches, media etc, was that despite being a good guy and obviously well versed in the sport having played for 14 years, there was no way a "guy could walk in off the street with no experience in coaching" and be successful in the NFL.
"This one game" proved that it is in fact possible because they won the game. If the narrative was correct they would have lost comprehensively, which they didn't. It's actually this simple and you're a f-ing twit (shrugs shoulders)
It proved it is possible to win one game (against another bad team). That is all it proved. Winning one game is hardly "success".
What this shows is that any white guy with zero qualifications can jump to the front of the line. Business as usual in AmeriKKKa.
So your idea of "zero qualifications" is a guy who played Center in front of Peyton Manning for a decade - adjusting on the fly when Peyton routinely audibled two or three times on the same play. That's only an on-the-job Masterclass in reading defenses / defensive shifts and corresponding offensive counters. And oh yeah, the Center is the on-the-field offensive line coach, for what it's worth. Congrats for outing yourself as an imbecile. And take your pathetic Race Card and shove it up your hiney.
Great post, exactly what I would have said. Saturday wasn't some 2 year practice squad player, he was an integral part a hugely successful Super Bowl winning team with an all-time QB taking snaps from him. Hard to get more game experience than he has.
I'm rooting for the guy. I hate the false narrative that you have to put 8n time, climb the ranks, whatever.
It is not about just putting in the time. It is about learning skills that go into coaching. Lots of players in their sports were outstanding and most of them failed when they tried to coach. (Of course most coaches fail--talking pros here not your youth sports coach).
Maybe he is the exception sort of like Deion (both had some HS coaching experience). As it is often said "you are your record" so let's see what happens after more games.
Maybe Jeff's experience trumps that. If so it could be a profound change. Maybe the guys with years and years of experience just learn really bad habits and Saturday has not learned them. Maybe they become risk averse when they become the HC.
But again, drawing a big conclusion from 1 game is a really bad idea. Too many college ADs panic and throw a big contract at a guy who gets on a streak or even jettison a guy too quickly.
1 game doesn't mean "successful." Saturday got lucky that he went up against one of the actual worst head coaches of all time.
If he has a great finish to the season, he's going to 2-4 the rest of the way. Let's not get too knobslobbery over beating Josh McDaniel.
Okay so whats then your contention - that you can only win a game in the NFL if you have come "through the system" as either a college coach of high repute and/or were a co-ordinator on an NFL team before? Do you need prior coaching experience in the NFL to win a game as coach - yes or no?
"1 game doesn't mean successful" - by what metric - a season long metric? Sure - nobody going 1-16 in a coaching role is considered successful. But that's not what the thread is about nor was this 1 win ever put in that context. The narrative was it was crazy to put in a guy with no NFL "coaching" experience, presumably because you can't win a game without it. He won a game, thus debunking that narrative. End of discussion.
Yeah so the irrelevant Colts beat the irrelevant Raiders. And past this season nobody will remember this game....
BUT, what a moment this was in terms of exposing the idiotic narrative that to be a coach in the NFL it's all about "doing your time", having the right "pedigree", how deep and complex your stupid f-ing playbook is. Today was the ultimate middle finger to the Freemasons society which is NFL coaching - and yes we have seen it challenged in recent years by younger "cooler" head coaches becoming fashionable, but never so much as today when Saturday, a guy with zero coaching experience past helping out as his kids pop warner games, came in and got a group of mean to dominate a guy who came from the "vaunted" and "revered" school of Belichikenism.
Just goes to show that a little EQ, a little respect and understanding culture is far more effective with grown adults than discipline, installation of fear and bullying (all things Josh McDaniels is well known for) when it comes to the NFL, and probably almost anything in life. Who would have thought.
Again, maybe this means nothing. But maybe it has kicked open the door and exposed things for what they really are in the NFL and will create opportunities for people from far more diverse backgrounds and mindsets moving forwards. Either way I loved it - good stuff JS.
SMH.....The assistant coaches did the work. It's not like Jeff drew up new plays or even knew the strengths and weaknesses of the players in 5 days.
I have to say that Jeff Saturday made all pro six times, helped the Colts win the Super Bowl with a pancake block on Vince Wilfork, and paid more than his debts with that franchise over 12 or 13 seasons, so it's not like they took a guy out of an electrical repair store like Bill Pollian did in 1998-99, where he found Saturday to the great good fortune of the Colts franchise.
OP exhibits an astounding lack of knowledge here. This was one game bro. One game proves nothing.
What brilliant retort this was - top quality stuff.
It actually it proved a lot - because the narrative around the league - whether it be coaches, media etc, was that despite being a good guy and obviously well versed in the sport having played for 14 years, there was no way a "guy could walk in off the street with no experience in coaching" and be successful in the NFL.
"This one game" proved that it is in fact possible because they won the game. If the narrative was correct they would have lost comprehensively, which they didn't. It's actually this simple and you're a f-ing twit (shrugs shoulders)
This idiot Salvitore thinks he is making some sort of a point. What a colossal lack of insight this arrogant prick Salvitore brings to this discussion.
Yeah so the irrelevant Colts beat the irrelevant Raiders. And past this season nobody will remember this game....
BUT, what a moment this was in terms of exposing the idiotic narrative that to be a coach in the NFL it's all about "doing your time", having the right "pedigree", how deep and complex your stupid f-ing playbook is. Today was the ultimate middle finger to the Freemasons society which is NFL coaching - and yes we have seen it challenged in recent years by younger "cooler" head coaches becoming fashionable, but never so much as today when Saturday, a guy with zero coaching experience past helping out as his kids pop warner games, came in and got a group of mean to dominate a guy who came from the "vaunted" and "revered" school of Belichikenism.
Just goes to show that a little EQ, a little respect and understanding culture is far more effective with grown adults than discipline, installation of fear and bullying (all things Josh McDaniels is well known for) when it comes to the NFL, and probably almost anything in life. Who would have thought.
Again, maybe this means nothing. But maybe it has kicked open the door and exposed things for what they really are in the NFL and will create opportunities for people from far more diverse backgrounds and mindsets moving forwards. Either way I loved it - good stuff JS.
SMH.....The assistant coaches did the work. It's not like Jeff drew up new plays or even knew the strengths and weaknesses of the players in 5 days.
Salvitore is uneducable but at least you are trying to enlighten the clown.
The same fools on here applauding and cheering because a guy with zero collegiate or professional coaching experience was given the head coaching job mid-season just because he is buddy buddy with the owner........are the same ones who constantly complain when a 24-year-old female is given an assistant coaching position at Power 5 or mid major conference with zero experience.
Yeah so the irrelevant Colts beat the irrelevant Raiders. And past this season nobody will remember this game....
BUT, what a moment this was in terms of exposing the idiotic narrative that to be a coach in the NFL it's all about "doing your time", having the right "pedigree", how deep and complex your stupid f-ing playbook is. Today was the ultimate middle finger to the Freemasons society which is NFL coaching - and yes we have seen it challenged in recent years by younger "cooler" head coaches becoming fashionable, but never so much as today when Saturday, a guy with zero coaching experience past helping out as his kids pop warner games, came in and got a group of mean to dominate a guy who came from the "vaunted" and "revered" school of Belichikenism.
Just goes to show that a little EQ, a little respect and understanding culture is far more effective with grown adults than discipline, installation of fear and bullying (all things Josh McDaniels is well known for) when it comes to the NFL, and probably almost anything in life. Who would have thought.
Again, maybe this means nothing. But maybe it has kicked open the door and exposed things for what they really are in the NFL and will create opportunities for people from far more diverse backgrounds and mindsets moving forwards. Either way I loved it - good stuff JS.
Saturday was an all pro player ... The narrative here is what is stupid.
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