I'm excited they committed. My girls are going to do it (16 and 17-min 5000m runners). Going to be epic.
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Didn't find any sisters that fast.
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Tenzo wrote:
I'm excited they committed. My girls are going to do it (16 and 17-min 5000m runners). Going to be epic.
Who are these sisters? There aren't many teenage girls who are that fast.
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RunReallyFast wrote:
Tenzo wrote:
I'm excited they committed. My girls are going to do it (16 and 17-min 5000m runners). Going to be epic.
Who are these sisters? There aren't many teenage girls who are that fast.
Maybe he is the coach and not the father?
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Sldjdk wrote:
zcxvxzcv wrote:
I imagine that there are some top college freshmen this year who will still be eligible. Maybe Rheinhardt Harrison, Zane Bergen or Gavin Sherry?
From another thread, here are the top returners that I could find, presumably all will be eligible for U20 xc:
Best returners from Runninglane:
#1 Leo Young 14:05,
#2 Lex Young 14:05,
#3 Aaron Sahlman, 14:14,
#4 Aidan Cox 14:18,
#5 Kole Mathison 14:23,
#6 Tayson Echohawk, 14:24,
#7 Rendon Kuykendall 14:25,
#8 Jimmy Wischusen, 14:33 (a sophomore!),
#9 Jacob Nenow 14:35 (son of Mark Nenow, former AR in the 10000m, 27:22),
#10 Danny Simmons, 14:37 (also a sophomore)
You also have sub-4 returners in Connor Burns, 3:58.83 (2M 8:45.52) and Simeon Birnbaum, 3:59.51, plus Rocky Hansen, who ran 4:00.76/8:46.97, and Chris Caudillo, who ran 8:48.24. Tyrone Gorze ran a 14:00.34 5000m on the track, Jones ran his 14:20 on the track, and a sophomore, Ferenc Kovacs, ran 14:08 (but a Hungarian and he's back home, so not eligible for us but maybe he'll run for them). So, there is a ton of talent in the mix.After NB, I think the talent split between RL and Eastbay last year was pretty even. So that’s probably about half of the eligible top runners.
Actually, I didn't miss much from East Bay. Some ran both races and I added guys with top track times, which meant that I included Sherry, Bergen, Mathison, Gorze, Jones, and Kovacs already. The only top non-seniors I didn't have were Kevin Sanchez, 11th in 15:30 and Luke Athay, a soph, in 20th in 15:40. The next guy was 45 seconds back of Hough. As for the seniors who might be eligible for world xc, Riley Hough, Kenan Pala, Shane Brosnan, Izaiah Steury, Marco Langon, and Emmanuel Sgouros were all top ten guys at East Bay.
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Jgt11 wrote:
Hell yeah, I hope other high level HS runners and college freshmen follow them so we can do some real damage at U20 cross
I don’t know how much “damage” US junior men can do at World XC.
As someone here said. Jakob came 12th in the juniors in 2019. He ran 13:02 later that summer.
Five Ethiopians finished ahead of him.
If the US brings their top 5, they could finish 4th. But it will be a fight with Eritrea.
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Here is the full podcast for those interested in listening:
they talk about their racing schedule at the very end for those only wanting to hear that part.
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Bbbbbb wrote:
Jgt11 wrote:
Hell yeah, I hope other high level HS runners and college freshmen follow them so we can do some real damage at U20 cross
I don’t know how much “damage” US junior men can do at World XC.
As someone here said. Jakob came 12th in the juniors in 2019. He ran 13:02 later that summer.
Five Ethiopians finished ahead of him.
If the US brings their top 5, they could finish 4th. But it will be a fight with Eritrea.
Remember: The Aarhus, Denmark X country course was extremely hilly so it was not surprising that a number of East Africans beat Jakob (who collapsed just after the finish line). Jakob was many kilos heavier than these opponents.
Jakob was still far ahead of the non Africans, including the best Americans.
I think the Young twins can get a good placement but I would be very surprised if they medaled.
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zcxvxzcv wrote:
Sldjdk wrote:
After NB, I think the talent split between RL and Eastbay last year was pretty even. So that’s probably about half of the eligible top runners.
Actually, I didn't miss much from East Bay. Some ran both races and I added guys with top track times, which meant that I included Sherry, Bergen, Mathison, Gorze, Jones, and Kovacs already. The only top non-seniors I didn't have were Kevin Sanchez, 11th in 15:30 and Luke Athay, a soph, in 20th in 15:40. The next guy was 45 seconds back of Hough. As for the seniors who might be eligible for world xc, Riley Hough, Kenan Pala, Shane Brosnan, Izaiah Steury, Marco Langon, and Emmanuel Sgouros were all top ten guys at East Bay.
Sorry, it wasn’t a useful thing to respond on. Good information. I just find it funny when people talk about RL likes it’s an all inclusive list of the top runners. Clearly you had gone beyond those runners in reviewing the group.
Only 14 of Tullyrunner’s top 33 preseason runners ran at Running Lane last year. An impressive list to be sure, but it’s a little less than half.
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RunReallyFast wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
This is good news, hoping Tyrone Gorze, Colin Sahlman and Gary Martin will follow.
College coaches have ZERO interest in having one of their runners prepare for cross country meets in January and February. By that time of the year college coaches are only interested in indoor track.
And indoor track is what college coaches should care about. After all, that's what the college pays them to do.
The 2019 U20 XC team were all college guys from top programs such as Stanford, Notre Dame, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.
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How fast? wrote:
I'm 18 and have run a 15:01 in a time trial in summer's heat. How fast do you have to be to run?
I'll also be 19 in February of 2024
Time is immaterial. It is your PLACEMENT in the trials race who goes down to Australia.
Learn how to race, goddammit.
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Lex and Leo getting far fewer comments and praise for their epic global quest than their brother is for his non-running revelation. The two thread have been up exactly the same amount of time.
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Kobbs Hessler wrote:
Lex and Leo getting far fewer comments and praise for their epic global quest than their brother is for his non-running revelation. The two thread have been up exactly the same amount of time.
Lex and Leo wanting to run fast is less surprising than their brother being gay.
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Nico seems like a really nice guy and a great running but I could seriously care less about his sexuality or gender attraction preferences - it’s none of my damn business! Coming out that your gay now is like having a press conference announcing you prefer chocolate ice cream over vanilla - SERIOUSLY WHO THE HECK CARES!!!!
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I hope some legit phenom emerges in California this year and beats the two to-be twin world beaters at state or even before state. These Young twins are way too over confident.
One thing I have learned from is that the adult versions of child prodigies hate life because everyone else caught up. Still not convinced the hair twirling Young twins are even classified as prodigies. But people are going to catch up.
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no!! they need to run with their team!!! skipping cif track championships is literally the worst thing an athlete has ever done and now they’re quitting on their team again
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freekiprop wrote:
no!! they need to run with their team!!! skipping cif track championships is literally the worst thing an athlete has ever done and now they’re quitting on their team again
They are still running for NP at CIF and NXN . What are you talking about?
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good choice, such a cool experience. i competed in the world junior cross country championship in 1994 and the memory has been with me since. i ran like crap (sick on penicillin) but at least i can say that i once competed against daniel komen (that finished second in the race).
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Bbbbbb wrote:
Jgt11 wrote:
Hell yeah, I hope other high level HS runners and college freshmen follow them so we can do some real damage at U20 cross
I don’t know how much “damage” US junior men can do at World XC.
As someone here said. Jakob came 12th in the juniors in 2019. He ran 13:02 later that summer.
Five Ethiopians finished ahead of him.
If the US brings their top 5, they could finish 4th. But it will be a fight with Eritrea.
the 2019 course was historically hard which hurt Jakob as he is definitely more of a track guy. On a more normal xc course Jakob would have definitely finished top 3 and probably would have won.
any idea what the course is like this year?
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Marlboro Man wrote:
How fast? wrote:
I'm 18 and have run a 15:01 in a time trial in summer's heat. How fast do you have to be to run?
I'll also be 19 in February of 2024
Time is immaterial. It is your PLACEMENT in the trials race who goes down to Australia.
Learn how to race, goddammit.
So someone running a 15:01 time trial has the same odds of placing well in said trials as someone who runs a 14 flat or a 20:36? The kid is asking, based upon his current fitness, whether he would have a chance to make it on the team, not if his current time trial is going to auto-qualify him a spot.
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