Stanford will still somehow find a way to lose to Nico and 4 9:30 kids Mike Smith turns into All Americans
Lol. NAU gets the best recruits. He may turn 4 8:45 dudes, or 4 top 10 footlocker dudes into AAs. But there has been exactly 1 guy (Nur) to not already be a stud when they got there, and become one.
Right, he gets the best guys that aren’t smart. The intelligent ones go to the Stanford’s, Georgetown’s, Villanova’s of college running.
Stanford will still somehow find a way to lose to Nico and 4 9:30 kids Mike Smith turns into All Americans
Lol. NAU gets the best recruits. He may turn 4 8:45 dudes, or 4 top 10 footlocker dudes into AAs. But there has been exactly 1 guy (Nur) to not already be a stud when they got there, and become one.
Nur had world class talent and the only story is how did he end up at NAU. He would have been just as good at other schools like Stanford or Colorado.
Stanford will still somehow find a way to lose to Nico and 4 9:30 kids Mike Smith turns into All Americans
Unless they were significantly under trained in HS, no coach is going to turn 9:30 kids into All-Americans.
What? I ran 9:37.30 and became an All-American. Coach was from Princeton. There are quite a few kids every year that run 9:30 in HS and turn into All-Americans. It's the reason we coach.
Unless they were significantly under trained in HS, no coach is going to turn 9:30 kids into All-Americans.
What? I ran 9:37.30 and became an All-American. Coach was from Princeton. There are quite a few kids every year that run 9:30 in HS and turn into All-Americans. It's the reason we coach.
If they were serious runners for 3-4 years in HS, I don’t believe it. I’ve been around dozens of guys that ran around 9:30 in HS and most could barely break 60 in the 400m. If you could coach a 9:30 guy to run 14:00, then one from 9:00 to 13:10 should be doable. You can’t coach top-end speed.
You realize most 7-12 runners on a high school team can run 52-56 for 400m, right? How old are you, in your 60's +? Everyone has speed right now that we coach, it's speed endurance you need to develop. Our best example is a 9:42 HS recruit went 14:12 this outdoor season, not an All-American, but we think we can get there this XC season.
You realize most 7-12 runners on a high school team can run 52-56 for 400m, right? How old are you, in your 60's +? Everyone has speed right now that we coach, it's speed endurance you need to develop. Our best example is a 9:42 HS recruit went 14:12 this outdoor season, not an All-American, but we think we can get there this XC season.
I guess human beings have changed. There’s a story behind your 9:42 runner that your’re not disclosing. Many 9:42 guys don’t even run in college.
You realize most 7-12 runners on a high school team can run 52-56 for 400m, right? How old are you, in your 60's +? Everyone has speed right now that we coach, it's speed endurance you need to develop. Our best example is a 9:42 HS recruit went 14:12 this outdoor season, not an All-American, but we think we can get there this XC season.
I guess human beings have changed. There’s a story behind your 9:42 runner that your’re not disclosing. Many 9:42 guys don’t even run in college.
I'll just pick on a school I recruit against and some 3200m time PR from High School - UC San Diego.. just a random picking from the guys on their team this year and you'll probably faint that I gave a pretty big scholarship to a 4:20/9:30 kid -
I guess human beings have changed. There’s a story behind your 9:42 runner that your’re not disclosing. Many 9:42 guys don’t even run in college.
Wow.
You didn’t tell me about your former 9:42 HS runner. He trained seriously and ran the equivalent of 15:30 and now runs 14:12? How is that possible? A lot of 9:30 guys train just as hard as the 9:00 guys and never close the gap in college even though they do the same workouts. If you can do what you say, you make Brosnan and Smith seem like pikers.
Of course I had teammates that could run 54 but I was more talented than them aerobically and beat them by over minute in XC. The problem for me was there were runners at other places that could match my aerobic ability and had 54 speed or faster.
You realize most 7-12 runners on a high school team can run 52-56 for 400m, right? How old are you, in your 60's +? Everyone has speed right now that we coach, it's speed endurance you need to develop. Our best example is a 9:42 HS recruit went 14:12 this outdoor season, not an All-American, but we think we can get there this XC season.
I guess human beings have changed. There’s a story behind your 9:42 runner that your’re not disclosing. Many 9:42 guys don’t even run in college.
Cmon dude you've gotta be trolling. My D3 team had a bunch of guys who didn't break 4:30 or 9:40 in HS that ran well under 15:00 within a couple of years of joining the program. Top D3 teams thrive off unpolished 9:30-9:40 guys who just need the right training to really make an impact on the national level.
Lol. NAU gets the best recruits. He may turn 4 8:45 dudes, or 4 top 10 footlocker dudes into AAs. But there has been exactly 1 guy (Nur) to not already be a stud when they got there, and become one.
Is it a coach's job to turn non-studs into studs, or at the level of NCAA Championship-contender is the job to recruit studs and make them into even bigger studs?
His job, literally, is to recruit the 8:45 guys and top-ten Footlocker guys and to win with them. He does that exceptionally well.
I agree with that. The comment was saying what you date saying — he turns studs into AAs. It was in refute to the original comment that he was turning average guys into studs.
I guess human beings have changed. There’s a story behind your 9:42 runner that your’re not disclosing. Many 9:42 guys don’t even run in college.
Cmon dude you've gotta be trolling. My D3 team had a bunch of guys who didn't break 4:30 or 9:40 in HS that ran well under 15:00 within a couple of years of joining the program. Top D3 teams thrive off unpolished 9:30-9:40 guys who just need the right training to really make an impact on the national level.
15:00 is reasonable for a guy that ran 9:30-40 in HS but 14:12 is ridiculous. The “right training” would mean they were undertrained in HS.
Cmon dude you've gotta be trolling. My D3 team had a bunch of guys who didn't break 4:30 or 9:40 in HS that ran well under 15:00 within a couple of years of joining the program. Top D3 teams thrive off unpolished 9:30-9:40 guys who just need the right training to really make an impact on the national level.
15:00 is reasonable for a guy that ran 9:30-40 in HS but 14:12 is ridiculous. The “right training” would mean they were undertrained in HS.
Nobody is arguing that the 9:30 guys that become AA were undertrained in high school. That's the whole point. They have a lot of room to grow. However, 9:30 -> 14:12 is what happens when an undertrained high school kid goes to a decent D1 program and runs decent training. 9:30 -> 13:12 (or rather, 9:27 to 13:06) is what happens when they go to NAU.
Low 9:20s guys often run 14:10s and 14:20s in D1. That is a minimum. I ran with two of them well after they finished college when they were slower than that. D1 chews distance guys up and spits them out, but they usually run at least 14:20s between injuries and parties.
Lol. NAU gets the best recruits. He may turn 4 8:45 dudes, or 4 top 10 footlocker dudes into AAs. But there has been exactly 1 guy (Nur) to not already be a stud when they got there, and become one.
Right, he gets the best guys that aren’t smart. The intelligent ones go to the Stanford’s, Georgetown’s, Villanova’s of college running.
Where do the guys go that aren't smart enough to know that adding an apostrophe to a noun doesn't make it plural?
He gets great recruits because his athletes love him and they have won five of the last six national champs in xc. He had two athletes in the World final in the 5000m this year in Grijalva and Nur. He really is above reproach at this point.
Young 7:57 3k (~8:34 2M)>13:06 Bosley 8:47 (14:32)>13:24 Hasty 8:46>13:42 Quax 8:22 3k (~9 2M)>13:41 Raff 8:51>13:51 Nur 9:27 3200m (15:30 5000m xc)>13:06 Also, notably, 14:26 5000m in 2018, 14:06 in 2019, 13:06 in 2022.
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