Ex Navy Seal: to make it through training you should run 55 mpw

If you disagree it is an emotional response. Frogmen duties were beneficial during WW2. Bringing frogmen onto land in early 1960's was and is a waste of resources and unnecessary. On land, Se.A.L.s are a waste of money and are no better than Marines on land.

Yes, by itself 55 mpw and six min mile is not difficult. But a significant percentage of a BUDS Class drops out before they even get to Hell Week. After three weeks of extreme physical activity starting before sun up and ending late, running becomes much harder to do.

Can you still run as fast in combat boots, being wet in cammo pants and tshirts, with wet sand in your pants, on a soft beach, after you’ve already been beat on via physical output for 6 hours? No way.

The context they work in, being cold and wet and exhausted most of the day, is too much for most candidates, and that’s even AFTER the candidates completed s BUDS prep school to get everyone as ready as they can be.

And as was noted, BUDS is 6 months long. You don’t get your Trident after BUDS. You then need to make it through SQT, another 18 months. It should be obvious why on a tiny percentage of people make it through.

Just watch some videos from Jake Zweig on YT. He’s no BS.

It looks different fighting insurgents and not nation states. Army SF, CIA and Airforce bombing effectively eliminated the people we were fighting in very short order. But the big government, big military and big industry didn't want to stop. We expanded scope with an impossible objective of imposing democracy, nation building, etc. That never works with third world countries.

By the way, your comments make you look really uneducated.

Go find race results from any or all 10k races run in the USA. What % of finishers are at or below 6:00/mile pace?

I stuck to differing with the specifics of your post. You are frustrated and you made a personal attack. You have nothing intelligent to offer.

Are you familiar with Opportunity Costs? You have offered zero evidence what has been done by Se.A.L.s on land has not been achieved by Marines and cannot continue to be achieved by Marines on land. You haven't even tried to defend the cost to train frogmen on land and the hassle it is to try to find a Se.A.L. out of mass of boatswain's mates. You do know Marines are riding in the exact same amphibious tractors Marines were riding in about (30 to 35) years ago. Every dollar wasting attempting to recruit frogmen for land duty and train frogmen for land duty is a dollar not spent on Marines.

Let's see you try to find a mission Se.A.L.s did on land that Marines couldn't achieve.

A. Afghanistan? You have devolved into making personal attacks and have not proven one thing Se.A.L.s did on land in Afghanistan Marines couldn't do. Since Afghanistan is a land locked nation, no need for Se.A.L.s in Afghanistan.

B. Captain Philips. No. U.S.M.C.'s original mission was capturing & killing pirates on the seas and capturing & killing pirates in their coastal hideaways. Marines could have rescued Captain Philips.

C. bin Laden? No. Marines repel from helicopters and do urban assault missions ever day. Marines actually wrote the book, U.S.M.C. Small Wars Manual.

I don't have time for this, but I can shut you up all day if I had the time.

I pulled up the results of a local 10K and used the SEAL age range. 73.81% were 6:00 or faster. So basically 3 out of 4 people can do it.

Average testicular poundage is 4lbs. Each.

Like I said, you seem very uneducated. That's an observation, not an insult. I'm not going to spend time writing an elaborate defense here on LR. Do your own homework. I read extensively on this subject matter. I recommend the same for you. You wouldn't look so dumb if you did (that's an insult).

Could the Marines be trained to run SPECOPS. Probably, but they don't do that training. It's not the same. Furthermore, the Marines have established their own SPECOPS group. Now, that leads to a different question. Do we need every branch to have extensive SPECOPS capabilities? (army SF, Delta, Rangers, seals, airforce combat controllers, para rescue, marines marsoc, and this includes multiple tier one units) I say no, but I've heard some reasonable debate points on both sides.

You did not. You are a liar.

As usual, LR posters totally underestimate the athletic ability of the average fit person.

The average fit person CAN NOT run a 6:00 mile. 7:00 mile maybe, if they are actually running 4+ times a week....which most avg fit people cannot do without developing injuries.

Alan

You are full of it. Typical puny runt runner, you might get through 25 push-ups, maybe.

I trained a kid to get through "boot camp."

Very few of you if any of you would have made it. I actually could not believe what he was able to handle. 55 mpw is a joke.

That's a circular argument. You are defining an average, fit person as someone who runs multiple miles at 6.00 pace.

Go to a big 10k race, like the Boulder race. What % of competitors finish under 37:17? It's a very small %. Ok, isolate by age group and it's still very small. You are calling that very small %, "average". That's literally the opposite of the definition of average.

Go to the army 2-mile fitness test. The MAX 13:00 and the MIN is 15.54 for 17-21 year olds.

Furthermore, the cutoff for 4-mile runs the SEALS do in Buds is 32 minuets. Its gets lower, but it's never 24 minutes.

Man, super shoes have really changed the US 10k road racing scene.

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I think this is a misunderstanding of the role of special ops.

Lack of understanding is strong with this fool

This is a sample during his preparation. Log PT is various exercises carrying a huge log. Boat PT involved various exercises carrying a dingy. Grinder PT...some other torturous fun. Pool PT also rough.

We did a session quite often that you see on the 8th during a ruck when every few minutes he stopped his watch. Whatever the watch read in 10ths he had to do. This simulated a drill instructor that gave out random exercises that were unpredictable. Some days were easy and others were random torture.

This kid was iron clad at the end of the 4 months I trained him.

6th
AM ruck beach 3 hours
Pool PT & log PT

PM
50 minute swim

7th
AM Run on the roads
6 miles
Progression
1st-8:35-45
2nd &3rd -8:10-20
4th & 5th -7:20-30
6th 7:10-20
Four 35 second sprints after

PM:
Swim at beach
7 dune sprints
Boat PT

8th
AM – 2 hour Ruck
Soft sand
40 lb weight
Every 5 minutes in the water
.01-.25 Mountain climbers 3 minutes
.26-.50 Flutter kicks 90 seconds
.51-.75 push ups in the surf 2 minutes
.76-.00 squats 90 seconds
10 dune sprints

PM:

60 minute swim

9th
AM:
1 mile warm up
4 x 800
3:05-15
2 minute rest between intervals
6 x 400
1:20-27
90 second rest between intervals
1 mile cool down

PM:
60 minute swim
Easy effort
Grinder PT

10th
AM Pool session
Warm up 150 slow
1 set:
50 meters easy
Leave pool
30 seconds push ups
60 seconds mountain
climbers
60 seconds burpees
50 meters hard
Leave pool
60 seconds sit ups
30 seconds body weight squats
60 second lunge walks
Rest 5 minutes
4 sets total

PM:
5 mile run beach hard sand medium intensity
8 dune sprints

11th
AM:
60 minute swim / Pool PT
PM:

Log PT

12th
AM:
4 hour Ruck beach (Random drills every 20 minutes)
20 Lb pack medium intensity w/
Followed by Boat PT

PM: 6 mile run road - easy effort