How much would Jake Wightman have beaten Jakob by today?

Is there an older EC record still on the books? $ says nobody goes for it.

CR 1:43.84 GDR BEYER Olaf Praha (TCH) 31 Aug 1978

Yes! And Viren who ran in leather shoes would run 3:14 now!

How fast would Ryun be?

Another silly thread.
Jake is playing the "hide and seek" game thinking the speed will serve him.
Ingerbrigsten the most consistent mile runner but other runners try to exploit his weakness.

I think you mean, "the 3rd best in the Commonwealth"

Can someone who owns super spikes and non-super spikes do this simple experiment? Go out to the track and run a threshold 1000 meters in either pair. Switch pairs. Repeat, Repeat. Calculate meters/hear beat for each of the pairs. Guesstimate your average heart beat for 1500. Calculate your 1500 time for each pair. QED

Our top American is only running 3:33 this year, and the rest 3:34... So with old shoes our top American would only be 3:35 right now, and a handful of 3:36 guys. Our worst year in decades! Orrrrrr maybe the spikes don't really make much of a difference in times.

Moot.

Legend still has it that Jim Ryun could've run 1:38/3:24 without supershoes, just modern spikes on a synthetic track...

Well, Jim Ryun, a sea level athlete who had some altitude stints in 1967-68 but was barred from going up to altitude in the months before the Mexico City games at nearly 7400 ft elevation ran 3:37.80, which gets corrected by about 9.4 seconds, according to the nearest NCAA altitude conversion sites, giving him 3:28.4. That was on cinders. That's worth 2 seconds. 3:26.4. Any way you look at it, having just recovered from mono and not having the altitude all the way to the games, unlike Keino, Ryun was worth close to the current 1500m world record. Was Keino worth more? I don't think that you can say that an athlete born at altitude and raised, and his ancestors being from altitude for hundreds of years back, will lose as much at altitude or gain as much at sea level. If so, the two best Kenyan altitude performers (3:30.9 (Kwemoi) and 3:31.1 (Kipsang)) would have run much faster than high 3:28, low 3:29 at sea level.

I guess this gay don't have a strong suit at all.

Nope. Meant Jake “handed Jakob and L” Whightman.

Another totally meaningless discussion thread.

I see this a lot. The belief that a runner can only be definied by their last race. Jake Wightman is a great runner and a great competitor. HOWEVER to assume that because he beat Jakob at the World Championships means that he is better or will beat him every time is absurd. Maybe the young Jakob learned something from that rare loss.

Either way, I think we need to see more of a pattern than one race before we start assuming that rather he can beat him next time is no longer a factor but the question is by how much!

I interpreted the OP’s question as a joke/friendly troll. Every time I see the title of this thread, I chuckle. Thank you OP!

If 2 seconds are right like you were saying, that would mean jakob regressed from 2018 to 2019. In 2018 he ran 3:31 with super shoes and in 2019 he ran 3:30 with the shoes.

Rare loss?

Jakob was 0-9 (?) against Tim C. before the Olympics. Won the title. Since then, has competed in two world finals at 1500m and has lost them both.

Jakob races really good fields except when it’s European Champs competition (and the top guys duck out/underperform), so at the 1500 I don’t think losses will be that rare. It’s an unpredictable race. At the 5,000, his advantages are more pronounced.