This is a risk when running 3-4 abreast, pumping the brakes and surging while jockeying for position. People don't want to get out front because it's easier to be paced. Meanwhile, the small but real risk of getting tripped up is among the drawbacks of that tactical decision.
Absolutely nothing egregious here by Katir. There is no rule that you have to run out into lane three to make room for someone.
I bet this guy Hay is like Fisher, never racing with the big boys and then handling it poorly.
Hay is a very good runner (3:38/7:41/13:10) as we can see from his credentials here but will he ever be a top competitor and vie for medals in championships? at this stage, I don’t think so but if I’m proved wrong in the future so much the better for him. I compare his times with someone like Conner Mantz, because they have very similar personal best times over 1500 m 3000 m and 5000 m but unlike the Frenchman I think if the American faced a problem in a race which was similar to the one we saw a few days ago after the race he would not say anything. The American in my mind is much more gracious. It’s part of French culture in general, and there are exceptions, to complain and to always focus on negatives. I see it every day at work in France and in day-to-day relationships with French people.
France is great for a holiday or a short stay but to live here on a permanent basis can be very stressful and another statistic is that French people are the biggest consumers of antidepressants in the world and other medications which fulfill the same function.
I don't think so. Pre would have punched somebody. It's just that American white guys have been turned into soy boys.
Hay is a very good runner (3:38/7:41/13:10) as we can see from his credentials here but will he ever be a top competitor and vie for medals in championships? at this stage, I don’t think so but if I’m proved wrong in the future so much the better for him. I compare his times with someone like Conner Mantz, because they have very similar personal best times over 1500 m 3000 m and 5000 m but unlike the Frenchman I think if the American faced a problem in a race which was similar to the one we saw a few days ago after the race he would not say anything. The American in my mind is much more gracious. It’s part of French culture in general, and there are exceptions, to complain and to always focus on negatives. I see it every day at work in France and in day-to-day relationships with French people.
France is great for a holiday or a short stay but to live here on a permanent basis can be very stressful and another statistic is that French people are the biggest consumers of antidepressants in the world and other medications which fulfill the same function.
I don't think so. Pre would have punched somebody. It's just that American white guys have been turned into soy boys.
Are you trying to say that Hugo should have given somebody a Hay-maker?
I'm really wondering where you are getting your information. Quick search will tell you France isn't even in the top 15 in a ranking of 29 OECD countries for antidepressant consumption. While sadly the US did not submit data and is therefore not on that list, America is the most medicated country in the world. One might even wonder why they wouldn't publish data... The only basis we have for analysis, is that over 12% of the adult (over 18yo) population in the US was taking antidepressants in 2017, which is skewed because the majority of major depressive episodes happen between the age of 12 and 17. We also don't know what the dosage was for each patient. Meanwhile, in that same year 10% of the entire population of France was prescribed antidepressants.
I would also be very interested to see where your data for "France is a very stressful country to live in" comes from, as well, apart from your own preconceived notion of a foreign country you know little about but apparently have incredible bias against... They actually did a stress index survey a couole years ago and the US ranked in the top 10 countries in the world, while France was nowhere to be found near the top.
I'm not bashing the US, just saying your assumptions aren't based on fact; and if you're feeling pretty happy in America, there's a good chance the French are pretty happy in France too.
Also just preempting any "but I work there so I know what it's like" : just because you're an expat doesn't mean you know anything about the country or culture you work in, especially with the close-minded attitude you seem to be displaying. You may also just have a stressful job, or terrible acquaintances. If you want to draw conclusions about an entire country, look at data, not your limited personal environment.
So far, the most gratuitous negativity we've seen on this thread is coming from you... Maybe it's the French rubbing off on you, or maybe... maybe it's just you.
I'm really wondering where you are getting your information. Quick search will tell you France isn't even in the top 15 in a ranking of 29 OECD countries for antidepressant consumption. While sadly the US did not submit data and is therefore not on that list, America is the most medicated country in the world. One might even wonder why they wouldn't publish data... The only basis we have for analysis, is that over 12% of the adult (over 18yo) population in the US was taking antidepressants in 2017, which is skewed because the majority of major depressive episodes happen between the age of 12 and 17. We also don't know what the dosage was for each patient. Meanwhile, in that same year 10% of the entire population of France was prescribed antidepressants.
I would also be very interested to see where your data for "France is a very stressful country to live in" comes from, as well, apart from your own preconceived notion of a foreign country you know little about but apparently have incredible bias against... They actually did a stress index survey a couole years ago and the US ranked in the top 10 countries in the world, while France was nowhere to be found near the top.
I'm not bashing the US, just saying your assumptions aren't based on fact; and if you're feeling pretty happy in America, there's a good chance the French are pretty happy in France too.
You are correct and I stand corrected on the antidepressant front this link provides (below )probably reliable evidence that other countries use antidepressants at a higher level compared with France and some of those countries based in this link will really surprise you, almost counterintuitive. Where was my source for my original assertion? The answer to that is simply the French media which continually bombards us with statements on television and the radio stating that France uses the most pharmaceuticals for depression and anxiety but those statements in the media in France were probably hyperbole.
This is a list of countries by antidepressant consumption according to data published by the OECD. OECD list The source for the data below is the OECD Health Statistics 2018, released by the OECD in June 2018 and updated on 8...
It is also interesting to check out suicide rates which in my mind should be correlated with depression but according to the statistics the correlation is not always obvious. Scroll down for the full list of countries, including European countries and other developed countries, among others. Interesting that many or most of the less developed countries on the globe have far less suicide compared with more developed countries like South Korea and Lithuania. I’ve heard that in countries like Lithuania, Latvia etc. when men have things going wrong in their life they are not encouraged to express their anguish and that may lead them to simply annihilate themselves when they blow a gasket.
Hay is a very good runner (3:38/7:41/13:10) as we can see from his credentials here but will he ever be a top competitor and vie for medals in championships?
02 JUN 2022 Montreuil International Meeting, Stade des Grands Pêchers, Montreuil Place 7 Time 13:12.14
If I was in the place of Katir, I will spite on the face of this French.
It is also interesting to check out suicide rates which in my mind should be correlated with depression but according to the statistics the correlation is not always obvious. Scroll down for the full list of countries, including European countries and other developed countries, among others. Interesting that many or most of the less developed countries on the globe have far less suicide compared with more developed countries like South Korea and Lithuania. I’ve heard that in countries like Lithuania, Latvia etc. when men have things going wrong in their life they are not encouraged to express their anguish and that may lead them to simply annihilate themselves when they blow a gasket.
Hay is a very good runner (3:38/7:41/13:10) as we can see from his credentials here but will he ever be a top competitor and vie for medals in championships? at this stage, I don’t think so but if I’m proved wrong in the future so much the better for him. I compare his times with someone like Conner Mantz, because they have very similar personal best times over 1500 m 3000 m and 5000 m but unlike the Frenchman I think if the American faced a problem in a race which was similar to the one we saw a few days ago after the race he would not say anything. The American in my mind is much more gracious. It’s part of French culture in general, and there are exceptions, to complain and to always focus on negatives. I see it every day at work in France and in day-to-day relationships with French people.
France is great for a holiday or a short stay but to live here on a permanent basis can be very stressful and another statistic is that French people are the biggest consumers of antidepressants in the world and other medications which fulfill the same function.
I don't think so. Pre would have punched somebody. It's just that American white guys have been turned into soy boys.
Pre, the guy who died in a solo car crash that was his own fault? Yes, very tough.
Hay is a very good runner (3:38/7:41/13:10) as we can see from his credentials here but will he ever be a top competitor and vie for medals in championships?
02 JUN 2022 Montreuil International Meeting, Stade des Grands Pêchers, Montreuil Place 7 Time 13:12.14
If I was in the place of Katir, I will spite on the face of this French.
Actually, the situation is that he (Hugo Hay), has calmed down either because he has calmed down himself or he was advised to calm down because his outburst did not go down well with the French media, French officials, or the French fans but it was in the heat of the moment right after the race so we can understand probably where he’s coming from.
Another few days have passed and this Frenchman will probably realize his error and try to make amends.
Hopefully, the next time they meet and race, the French man will offer his hand to the Spaniard as an offer of goodwill and forgiveness.
In Islam, the great one above, Allah, watches everything, and nothing goes unnoticed. Big respect to the Spaniard for keeping his calm when the Frenchman verbally attacked him after the race gesticulating widely. I almost thought that the irascible Frenchman would hit the Spaniard. This is a scene we have witnessed once in Monaco many years ago when Balla and Mekhissi came to blows.
Disqualifié pour avoir enlevé son maillot pour célébrer son succès lors du 3000 m steeple ce jeudi soir, Mahiédine Mekhissi-Benabbad n’est définitivement pas...
Mekhissi also had a talent or some would call it “presence of mind” (street smarts by a kid who grew up in the projects) to get two Kenyans disqualified for infringements on his rights in different (W.C. and O.G.), races. One time it was Kemboi and another time it was Kipruto. Perhaps someone can remind me but I think it was in an Olympic games that he got Kemboi disqualified because the Kenyan had stepped on the inside of the inside lane for a second which was worthy of a disqualification. That complaint by the Frenchman did not go down very well in Kenya because in all honesty the Frenchman would not a have beaten the Kenyan, stepping on the inside or not, did not give the Kenyan any advantage.
Your comment shows that on your side it’s more against the French than about this specific case. Hard to tell if Katir had to be sanctioned. His move toward the French is clearly intentional and absolutely not necessary. It may not be a DQ, but such a behaviour must be banned from race, and unfortunately it is not a first time for Katir.
Your comment shows that on your side it’s more against the French than about this specific case. Hard to tell if Katir had to be sanctioned. His move toward the French is clearly intentional and absolutely not necessary. It may not be a DQ, but such a behaviour must be banned from race, and unfortunately it is not a first time for Katir.
Everybody seems to focus on Katir and he's under a lot of scrutiny but a lot of runners have committed far worse violations and gotten away with it because they're not really looked at.
Actually, the situation is that he (Hugo Hay), has calmed down either because he has calmed down himself or he was advised to calm down because his outburst did not go down well with the French media, French officials, or the French fans but it was in the heat of the moment right after the race so we can understand probably where he’s coming from.
Another few days have passed and this Frenchman will probably realize his error and try to make amends.
Hopefully, the next time they meet and race, the French man will offer his hand to the Spaniard as an offer of goodwill and forgiveness.
In Islam, the great one above, Allah, watches everything, and nothing goes unnoticed. Big respect to the Spaniard for keeping his calm when the Frenchman verbally attacked him after the race gesticulating widely. I almost thought that the irascible Frenchman would hit the Spaniard. This is a scene we have witnessed once in Monaco many years ago when Balla and Mekhissi came to blows.
Hugo actually said on twitter that he wanted to hit Katir after the race :
Et j'ai aussi hésité à remonter d'un coup et le balayer. Mais flemme d'etre suspendu.
Mehdi Baala et Mahiedine Mekhissi en sont venus aux mains à la fin du 1500 mètres du meeting Herculis à Monaco, vendredi.Peu après l'arrivée, les deux hommes...
People should understand that people like Mekhissi and others from ethnic communities in France especially North African grow up on social project housing estates usually far away from the city centres in dire conditions which made them bitter against French society and in addition to that they've had to fight all their lives with neighbours, with peers and with society in general which shapes their character but not always for the best.
Your comment shows that on your side it’s more against the French than about this specific case. Hard to tell if Katir had to be sanctioned. His move toward the French is clearly intentional and absolutely not necessary. It may not be a DQ, but such a behaviour must be banned from race, and unfortunately it is not a first time for Katir.
Everybody seems to focus on Katir and he's under a lot of scrutiny but a lot of runners have committed far worse violations and gotten away with it because they're not really looked at.
Hugo has 50% of responsibility to what happened to him. There was a lot of crowd in a small area and non intentionnel contacts and hurts will always happens.
An American women fell in two final world championship of the 1500m and she was performer of the year.
And to put it short:
Katir has zero interest to do anything intentionnel to Hugo. First he don't know him, second he has zero weight in the medal contenders.
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