I was CONFIDENTLY assured by another poster that Flatt had secured himself a >1million dollar contract with his 9th place performance at USAs, still awaiting confirmation on this.
I have heard such assurances. Attempting to verify
You’re right. He is a teenager. That said, he is a teenager that looks like he’s in his mid-20s at least. He has a the body of a man that is fully grown. He started shaving in the 3rd grade.
It’s nice to see let’s run awkwardly evaluating the physique of teen boy as well. Stay creepy y’all!
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You’re right. He is a teenager. That said, he is a teenager that looks like he’s in his mid-20s at least. He has a the body of a man that is fully grown. He started shaving in the 3rd grade.
It’s nice to see let’s run awkwardly evaluating the physique of teen boy as well. Stay creepy y’all!
I believe that the point being made was that because he's so mature for his age, he is probably near his peak.
LMFAO literally nobody cares about world U20s. The only people who brag about their U20 success are the ones who have no success at the senior level.
In his 1st round race he was shoulder to shoulder with the REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION Brazier. He beat 1:43 guy Jewett. Hoppell is a 1:43 runner who was 4th in the world in 2019, Murphy has run 1:42 and has an Olympic bronze.
> "literally nobody cares about world U20s"
> proceeds to analyze a heat at the US senior champs
lmao this is peak copium. As I've already stated: a medal, of any kind, is forever. You're delusional if you think Flatt's performance in the heats at US seniors was important in any way.
Ask Willis if she'd like to trade her two U20 golds for "second place in the first heat" of US senior nationals.
Cade Flatt is only the 8th fastest u20 over 800m in the world this year. So no, he would not have been racing slower people.
The guy who won world u20 this year is a 1:44 guy.
The guy who finished 7th is also a 1:44 guy and a WORLD SENIOR indoor silver medalist (harder than USAs), the doha diamond league winner, the Kenyan champion, and a semi finalist in Eugene. In fact he did better at worlds than US current top 800m runners, Bryce Hoppel, Brandon Miller and Donavan Brazier in Eugene.
The guy who finished 4th is also a 1:44 guy
The guy who finished dead last in that final is a 1:46 guy, just like Cade Flatt.
So no, world u20 was never going to be easy work for him, in fact medaling at world u20 was probably way harder than making the final at USAs considering the level of US mens 800m running now, and considering the fact that even a world indoor silver medalist, kenyan senior champ and diamond league meet winner could not medal at world u20s.
I don’t know why you all like to denigrate world u20s so much, world u20s are never easy for anyone. Even a 12:43 Selemon Barega could not medal in the 5k at world u20s in 2018 just after running one of the fastest 5k of all time. World u20s are a real test, for anyone.
LMFAO literally nobody cares about world U20s. The only people who brag about their U20 success are the ones who have no success at the senior level.
In his 1st round race he was shoulder to shoulder with the REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION Brazier. He beat 1:43 guy Jewett. Hoppell is a 1:43 runner who was 4th in the world in 2019, Murphy has run 1:42 and has an Olympic bronze.
Plus it's August, he was racing hard since cross country. 10 months of racing is enough, 12 is overkill. Smart to peak in June, rest, then prepare to make the 2023 world championship team where he'll have a legit chance.
“LMFAO literally nobody cares about world U20s.” Yeah, nobody cares about world u20, except : Usain Bolt, David Rudisha, Wayde Van Niekerk, Hicham El Guerrouj, Joshua Cheptegei, Eliud Kipchoge, Aries Merritt, Karsten Warholm and Saif Saaeed Shaheen. In fact, every mens world record holder in running, flat or hurdles, ran at world u20s. Didn’t check for womens or field event but that must be almost the same. Other big names that went on to do pretty good after running, or even medaling at world u20s, just off the top of my head include : Kenenisa Bekele, Jakob Ingebrigtsen, Haile Gebrselassie, Daniel Komen, Joshua Cheptegei, Faith Kipyegon, Genzebe and Tirunesh Dibaba, Noah Lyles, Armand Duplantis, Sydney Mclaughlin (world u18).
“The only people who brag about their U20 success are the ones who have no success at the senior level.” According to you, all those people couldn’t have success at the senior level, that’s why they ran world u20s and some were very proud of their medals ?
“In his 1st round race he was shoulder to shoulder with the REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION Brazier. He beat 1:43 guy Jewett. Hoppell is a 1:43 runner who was 4th in the world in 2019, Murphy has run 1:42 and has an Olympic bronze.” Yeah I’m sure racing people who couldn’t even make it out of the heats at worlds, and not even making the final against them, was better than writing your name alongside all the all time greats I just quote. Don’t get me wrong, Donavan Brazier, Clayton Murphy, Hoppel are all great runners, but this year they were not even close to the worlds best in Eugene, so quoting their past achievement means nothing, and not even making the final at USAs doesn’t mean more than a world u20 medal.
“Plus it's August, he was racing hard since cross country. 10 months of racing is enough, 12 is overkill.” You would be surprised to know that Cade Flatt wanted to run world u20s initially. Roisin Willis and Juliette Whittaker did just fine with that. Not hating on Flatt for his decision, but saying that world u20s mean nothing and that it’s the trophy for people who can’t do anything at the senior level is just straight up ignorance and disrespect to almost all the all time greats of running.
I really hope you’re new to running because you don’t seem to know much about the sport beside american runners of the past 3 years.
LMFAO literally nobody cares about world U20s. The only people who brag about their U20 success are the ones who have no success at the senior level.
In his 1st round race he was shoulder to shoulder with the REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION Brazier. He beat 1:43 guy Jewett. Hoppell is a 1:43 runner who was 4th in the world in 2019, Murphy has run 1:42 and has an Olympic bronze.
> "literally nobody cares about world U20s"
> proceeds to analyze a heat at the US senior champs
lmao this is peak copium. As I've already stated: a medal, of any kind, is forever. You're delusional if you think Flatt's performance in the heats at US seniors was important in any way.
Ask Willis if she'd like to trade her two U20 golds for "second place in the first heat" of US senior nationals.
He still could have broken the high school record at USAs. He was a fraction of a second off in the 1st round while slowing significantly at the end because he was safely in a qualifying position.
“LMFAO literally nobody cares about world U20s.” Yeah, nobody cares about world u20, except : Usain Bolt, David Rudisha, Wayde Van Niekerk, Hicham El Guerrouj, Joshua Cheptegei, Eliud Kipchoge, Aries Merritt, Karsten Warholm and Saif Saaeed Shaheen. In fact, every mens world record holder in running, flat or hurdles, ran at world u20s. Didn’t check for womens or field event but that must be almost the same. Other big names that went on to do pretty good after running, or even medaling at world u20s, just off the top of my head include : Kenenisa Bekele, Jakob Ingebrigtsen, Haile Gebrselassie, Daniel Komen, Joshua Cheptegei, Faith Kipyegon, Genzebe and Tirunesh Dibaba, Noah Lyles, Armand Duplantis, Sydney Mclaughlin (world u18).
“The only people who brag about their U20 success are the ones who have no success at the senior level.” According to you, all those people couldn’t have success at the senior level, that’s why they ran world u20s and some were very proud of their medals ?
“In his 1st round race he was shoulder to shoulder with the REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION Brazier. He beat 1:43 guy Jewett. Hoppell is a 1:43 runner who was 4th in the world in 2019, Murphy has run 1:42 and has an Olympic bronze.” Yeah I’m sure racing people who couldn’t even make it out of the heats at worlds, and not even making the final against them, was better than writing your name alongside all the all time greats I just quote. Don’t get me wrong, Donavan Brazier, Clayton Murphy, Hoppel are all great runners, but this year they were not even close to the worlds best in Eugene, so quoting their past achievement means nothing, and not even making the final at USAs doesn’t mean more than a world u20 medal.
“Plus it's August, he was racing hard since cross country. 10 months of racing is enough, 12 is overkill.” You would be surprised to know that Cade Flatt wanted to run world u20s initially. Roisin Willis and Juliette Whittaker did just fine with that. Not hating on Flatt for his decision, but saying that world u20s mean nothing and that it’s the trophy for people who can’t do anything at the senior level is just straight up ignorance and disrespect to almost all the all time greats of running.
I really hope you’re new to running because you don’t seem to know much about the sport beside american runners of the past 3 years.
Clearly based on your username your feeling are hurt because U20s is a JV meet. The vast majority of people at U20s have zero or minimal success at the senior world championship level. Nobody watches World U20s. If you are bragging about qualifying for the world U20 championships when you are 25 years old, that means you FAILED to achieve anything noteworthy on the senior level.
Flatt showed up in 1:45 shape to race Brazier, Hoppell, Murphy, Jewett, Isaiah Harris, and other top runners. It's not his fault some of them didn't get to the meet at 100% fitness. Flatt was ready for them and he had the courage to race them.
Flatt has his sights set on making the senior World Championship team in 2023 and Olympic team in 2024. World U20s doesn't fit into that. Instead of extending his season running 1:46 or maybe 1:45, he is going to get a 2 month head start on training to get into 1:43 shape by June of 2023.
“LMFAO literally nobody cares about world U20s.” Yeah, nobody cares about world u20, except : Usain Bolt, David Rudisha, Wayde Van Niekerk, Hicham El Guerrouj, Joshua Cheptegei, Eliud Kipchoge, Aries Merritt, Karsten Warholm and Saif Saaeed Shaheen. In fact, every mens world record holder in running, flat or hurdles, ran at world u20s. Didn’t check for womens or field event but that must be almost the same. Other big names that went on to do pretty good after running, or even medaling at world u20s, just off the top of my head include : Kenenisa Bekele, Jakob Ingebrigtsen, Haile Gebrselassie, Daniel Komen, Joshua Cheptegei, Faith Kipyegon, Genzebe and Tirunesh Dibaba, Noah Lyles, Armand Duplantis, Sydney Mclaughlin (world u18).
“The only people who brag about their U20 success are the ones who have no success at the senior level.” According to you, all those people couldn’t have success at the senior level, that’s why they ran world u20s and some were very proud of their medals ?
“In his 1st round race he was shoulder to shoulder with the REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION Brazier. He beat 1:43 guy Jewett. Hoppell is a 1:43 runner who was 4th in the world in 2019, Murphy has run 1:42 and has an Olympic bronze.” Yeah I’m sure racing people who couldn’t even make it out of the heats at worlds, and not even making the final against them, was better than writing your name alongside all the all time greats I just quote. Don’t get me wrong, Donavan Brazier, Clayton Murphy, Hoppel are all great runners, but this year they were not even close to the worlds best in Eugene, so quoting their past achievement means nothing, and not even making the final at USAs doesn’t mean more than a world u20 medal.
“Plus it's August, he was racing hard since cross country. 10 months of racing is enough, 12 is overkill.” You would be surprised to know that Cade Flatt wanted to run world u20s initially. Roisin Willis and Juliette Whittaker did just fine with that. Not hating on Flatt for his decision, but saying that world u20s mean nothing and that it’s the trophy for people who can’t do anything at the senior level is just straight up ignorance and disrespect to almost all the all time greats of running.
I really hope you’re new to running because you don’t seem to know much about the sport beside american runners of the past 3 years.
Clearly based on your username your feeling are hurt because U20s is a JV meet. The vast majority of people at U20s have zero or minimal success at the senior world championship level. Nobody watches World U20s. If you are bragging about qualifying for the world U20 championships when you are 25 years old, that means you FAILED to achieve anything noteworthy on the senior level.
Flatt showed up in 1:45 shape to race Brazier, Hoppell, Murphy, Jewett, Isaiah Harris, and other top runners. It's not his fault some of them didn't get to the meet at 100% fitness. Flatt was ready for them and he had the courage to race them.
Flatt has his sights set on making the senior World Championship team in 2023 and Olympic team in 2024. World U20s doesn't fit into that. Instead of extending his season running 1:46 or maybe 1:45, he is going to get a 2 month head start on training to get into 1:43 shape by June of 2023.
Totally fatuous arguments. World Juniors have long been a breeding ground for future champions and you seem to have happily ignored the list of names provided to you earlier, instead focusing on those who go and never achieve further success. You could use the same argument for senior world champs, the vast majority who go never get close to "success".
As for Cade Flatt, there are many 19 year olds who run 1.46 or faster each year, the majority of whom, to quote an idiot, "FAIL to achieve anything noteworthy on the senior level"
Cade Flatt is only the 8th fastest u20 over 800m in the world this year. So no, he would not have been racing slower people.
The guy who won world u20 this year is a 1:44 guy.
The guy who finished 7th is also a 1:44 guy and a WORLD SENIOR indoor silver medalist (harder than USAs), the doha diamond league winner, the Kenyan champion, and a semi finalist in Eugene. In fact he did better at worlds than US current top 800m runners, Bryce Hoppel, Brandon Miller and Donavan Brazier in Eugene.
The guy who finished 4th is also a 1:44 guy
The guy who finished dead last in that final is a 1:46 guy, just like Cade Flatt.
So no, world u20 was never going to be easy work for him, in fact medaling at world u20 was probably way harder than making the final at USAs considering the level of US mens 800m running now, and considering the fact that even a world indoor silver medalist, kenyan senior champ and diamond league meet winner could not medal at world u20s.
I don’t know why you all like to denigrate world u20s so much, world u20s are never easy for anyone. Even a 12:43 Selemon Barega could not medal in the 5k at world u20s in 2018 just after running one of the fastest 5k of all time. World u20s are a real test, for anyone.
Yes, and that 800m final was messy. Having watched Flatt race in the pack I would’ve been surprised if he finished higher than 5th. It was a stacked field.
Clearly based on your username your feeling are hurt because U20s is a JV meet. The vast majority of people at U20s have zero or minimal success at the senior world championship level. Nobody watches World U20s. If you are bragging about qualifying for the world U20 championships when you are 25 years old, that means you FAILED to achieve anything noteworthy on the senior level.
Flatt showed up in 1:45 shape to race Brazier, Hoppell, Murphy, Jewett, Isaiah Harris, and other top runners. It's not his fault some of them didn't get to the meet at 100% fitness. Flatt was ready for them and he had the courage to race them.
Flatt has his sights set on making the senior World Championship team in 2023 and Olympic team in 2024. World U20s doesn't fit into that. Instead of extending his season running 1:46 or maybe 1:45, he is going to get a 2 month head start on training to get into 1:43 shape by June of 2023.
Totally fatuous arguments. World Juniors have long been a breeding ground for future champions and you seem to have happily ignored the list of names provided to you earlier, instead focusing on those who go and never achieve further success. You could use the same argument for senior world champs, the vast majority who go never get close to "success".
As for Cade Flatt, there are many 19 year olds who run 1.46 or faster each year, the majority of whom, to quote an idiot, "FAIL to achieve anything noteworthy on the senior level"
Exactly
If Flatt was actually a freshman in college this past year to match his age group, he would have been the third fastest freshman in the NCAA.
Hope he does well in college and continues to get faster but his focus on racing Seniors this past June was about trying to get in a fast race to chase HS record (dubious given his actual age and HS graduation status) and failing to do so, it certainly looks silly to do that and forego the opportunity of U20 championships. ....Of course U20 WC is the real deal and he wouldn't of had a chance against all the African and UK U20s that are already 2 seconds faster than him.
Maybe he turns out to be fast for the US, but at age 19, Donovan Brazier was hitting 1:43. Lots of American 19 y.o.'s have hit 1:46 btw. ....Internationally 1:46 for u20s is average if not slow
Flatt was .07 away from making the final at seniors, he finished the meet in 9th as the 1st out of the final. His experience there is going to help him 10x more than going to race slower people at U20s.
Cade Flatt is only the 8th fastest u20 over 800m in the world this year. So no, he would not have been racing slower people.
The guy who won world u20 this year is a 1:44 guy.
The guy who finished 7th is also a 1:44 guy and a WORLD SENIOR indoor silver medalist (harder than USAs), the doha diamond league winner, the Kenyan champion, and a semi finalist in Eugene. In fact he did better at worlds than US current top 800m runners, Bryce Hoppel, Brandon Miller and Donavan Brazier in Eugene.
The guy who finished 4th is also a 1:44 guy
The guy who finished dead last in that final is a 1:46 guy, just like Cade Flatt.
So no, world u20 was never going to be easy work for him, in fact medaling at world u20 was probably way harder than making the final at USAs considering the level of US mens 800m running now, and considering the fact that even a world indoor silver medalist, kenyan senior champ and diamond league meet winner could not medal at world u20s.
I don’t know why you all like to denigrate world u20s so much, world u20s are never easy for anyone. Even a 12:43 Selemon Barega could not medal in the 5k at world u20s in 2018 just after running one of the fastest 5k of all time. World u20s are a real test, for anyone.
Has anyone from the US ran sub 146 this year? Terrible year.
I love you listed a whole bunch of WR holders in their respective distances and buddy is still trying to hold down his argument that people who run juniors don’t transition into elite senior runners. Absolutely hilarious, at least try a different angle there bud.
Jonah Koech was DQ’ed at Worlds but it was a good run infraction aside. He then backed it up with a 1:44.9 in Memphis.
I don’t get what’s going on with Hoppel. In Silesia yesterday he gets to the front and doesn’t draft off the pacer despite an easy 52.0 pace. Rotich makes a smart move and surges by him and yet no response from Hoppel who goes from 1st (amongst racers) to 6th. Maybe he’s hurt? I don’t know.
LMFAO literally nobody cares about world U20s. The only people who brag about their U20 success are the ones who have no success at the senior level.
In his 1st round race he was shoulder to shoulder with the REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION Brazier. He beat 1:43 guy Jewett. Hoppell is a 1:43 runner who was 4th in the world in 2019, Murphy has run 1:42 and has an Olympic bronze.
> "literally nobody cares about world U20s"
> proceeds to analyze a heat at the US senior champs
lmao this is peak copium. As I've already stated: a medal, of any kind, is forever. You're delusional if you think Flatt's performance in the heats at US seniors was important in any way.
Ask Willis if she'd like to trade her two U20 golds for "second place in the first heat" of US senior nationals.
In every way, competing and getting exposure at the US National Champs was better for Flatt. The opportunity for marketing and the obvious experience of running at the highest national level. It’s not even close. Did you see how many threads he had during that week?
Even at the most basic level, advancing from your heat while finishing right next to Donovan Brazier - the reigning world champ - is super cool.
> proceeds to analyze a heat at the US senior champs
lmao this is peak copium. As I've already stated: a medal, of any kind, is forever. You're delusional if you think Flatt's performance in the heats at US seniors was important in any way.
Ask Willis if she'd like to trade her two U20 golds for "second place in the first heat" of US senior nationals.
In every way, competing and getting exposure at the US National Champs was better for Flatt. The opportunity for marketing and the obvious experience of running at the highest national level. It’s not even close. Did you see how many threads he had during that week?
Even at the most basic level, advancing from your heat while finishing right next to Donovan Brazier - the reigning world champ - is super cool.
Sure love those heats, you can finish next to a world champ coasting in the prelims or goto to Cali and become your own world champ, seems easy to me what the better choice is, but as others have mentioned Cade likely wouldn’t have been competitive for a medal in Cali so perhaps the heats were better.
In every way, competing and getting exposure at the US National Champs was better for Flatt. The opportunity for marketing and the obvious experience of running at the highest national level. It’s not even close. Did you see how many threads he had during that week?
Even at the most basic level, advancing from your heat while finishing right next to Donovan Brazier - the reigning world champ - is super cool.
Sure love those heats, you can finish next to a world champ coasting in the prelims or goto to Cali and become your own world champ, seems easy to me what the better choice is, but as others have mentioned Cade likely wouldn’t have been competitive for a medal in Cali so perhaps the heats were better.
During world U20s I had to scroll down halfway through the Letsrun homepage to find results. You're not fooling anyone that U20s is a big deal. It's not.
Do you know the qualifying standard for the 800 at world U20s? 1:51.The standards for USATF is 1:46.00, Flatt got in as top 32.
There was a lot of coverage of Roisin Willis and Whittaker. It’s about the star Americans. Had Sumner or Flatt been in the 800m final or Sahlman/Kessler in the 1500, Lex/Leo in the 3000 you’d have seen coverage.
Cade Flatt is only the 8th fastest u20 over 800m in the world this year. So no, he would not have been racing slower people.
The guy who won world u20 this year is a 1:44 guy.
The guy who finished 7th is also a 1:44 guy and a WORLD SENIOR indoor silver medalist (harder than USAs), the doha diamond league winner, the Kenyan champion, and a semi finalist in Eugene. In fact he did better at worlds than US current top 800m runners, Bryce Hoppel, Brandon Miller and Donavan Brazier in Eugene.
The guy who finished 4th is also a 1:44 guy
The guy who finished dead last in that final is a 1:46 guy, just like Cade Flatt.
So no, world u20 was never going to be easy work for him, in fact medaling at world u20 was probably way harder than making the final at USAs considering the level of US mens 800m running now, and considering the fact that even a world indoor silver medalist, kenyan senior champ and diamond league meet winner could not medal at world u20s.
I don’t know why you all like to denigrate world u20s so much, world u20s are never easy for anyone. Even a 12:43 Selemon Barega could not medal in the 5k at world u20s in 2018 just after running one of the fastest 5k of all time. World u20s are a real test, for anyone.
Has anyone from the US ran sub 146 this year? Terrible year.
Murphy opened in with a 1:45 with a win against solid competition but it went bad since then for him.
Too inconsistent and always battling injury. Again.
Sadly, Hoppel's season like last is taking the wrong trajectory too.
On paper, Brazier, Hoppel, and Murphy have the times, medals, and championship credentials to be there with Korir and each has been better than Korir in the past but damn, these guys can't seem to get fit and fast anymore without injuring themselves.
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