Not so fast, name a kid that he has "developed"? Every kid to my knowledge has been a sub 4:55 or faster miler in 7th or 8th grade. Everyone one of those boys has been INCREDIBLY talented.
In several interviews Brosnan has said that talent is one of the ingredients needed to develop. Everyone knows that. Nobody turns a nine minute miler into a four minute miler. But let's look at a list of the top 8th grade mile times nationwide when Leo, Lex and Aaron were 8th graders. There were others in the U.S. with equally fast times. I haven't heard their names mentioned running 4:05 or 4:10, or sub 9 for 3200. Why is that? Shouldn't that extraordinary talent have resulted in comparable performances to the NP kids?
To elaborate further I went back to 2019 results, when the Young twins and Aaron Sahlman were 14 year old 8th graders. I looked at the results of the VCYTC-SCYTFC meet in May, 2019. Those are two adjacent youth track conferences. In that meet Lex ran a 1500 PR of 4:26.77. Leo didn't run the 1500 but won the 800 in 2:14.04, with Aaron at 2:14.64 and Lex at 2:14.73. In the 1500 Aaron ran 4:32.80. There were other present day notables there- Doshi at 4:38.95, Jonah Bazerkanian at 4:42.69 (Bazerkanian is now a senior & last year ran 4:11.89 1600 and 9:04.65 3200). I think most would agree that all of the above showed talent in the 8th grade.
But then for comparison I examined the performances of some of the best 7th and 8th graders at the 2019 USATF National Junior Olympics. I looked at the 1500 results for 13-14. In the prelims and finals 15 runners posted faster times than Lex's PR of 4:26.77. I then looked at their performances to date. A few are recognizable names: Carter Cutting, who ran a 4:18 1500 there has since run 1:50.24 and 4:10.91 in the mile, Samuel Burgess, 9:11.99 two mile, Logan Law, 4:16.88/9:04. There may be a few others. But most made modest gains from their 2019 performance, some leveled off and a few others may not have continued with track.
Everyone can draw their own conclusions from this data. Would the Young bros. & Aaron Sahlman have performed as well with other coaches? Perhaps, but regardless the fact that they did perform that well means that Sean Brosnan should get some credit for optimizing their talent. It is curious that virtually none of the other top performers at the 2019 junior Olympics have matched the Young bros and Aaron Sahlman and only a few have come close to them.
I happen to know a new recruit to the NAU team (Terrence Keyes) and he told me that Nico believes that Lex and Leo will not go to NAU; however, wherever they go they will go together.
I happen to know a new recruit to the NAU team (Terrence Keyes) and he told me that Nico believes that Lex and Leo will not go to NAU; however, wherever they go they will go together.
Well then UCLA would be the right choice for them then.
LRC front page uses the clause "rewrote the record books". NP's own tweet say "shattered multiple" records. What record has any NP runner set? National high school records? Course records? They must mean school records. Surely every one of those was set be a NP student.
How good was Nico as a freshman and sophomore. I don't believe he was very good as a soph. cross country runner, but then made a big jump during track season that began his upward track. Coach Brosnan did a great job with him.
How good was Nico as a freshman and sophomore. I don't believe he was very good as a soph. cross country runner, but then made a big jump during track season that began his upward track. Coach Brosnan did a great job with him.
Dude grew like 9 inches in 1 year. Did Brosnan somehow hang him upside down or put him on a stretch machine, feed him more broccoli?
In several interviews Brosnan has said that talent is one of the ingredients needed to develop. Everyone knows that. Nobody turns a nine minute miler into a four minute miler. But let's look at a list of the top 8th grade mile times nationwide when Leo, Lex and Aaron were 8th graders. There were others in the U.S. with equally fast times. I haven't heard their names mentioned running 4:05 or 4:10, or sub 9 for 3200. Why is that? Shouldn't that extraordinary talent have resulted in comparable performances to the NP kids?
To elaborate further I went back to 2019 results, when the Young twins and Aaron Sahlman were 14 year old 8th graders. I looked at the results of the VCYTC-SCYTFC meet in May, 2019. Those are two adjacent youth track conferences. In that meet Lex ran a 1500 PR of 4:26.77. Leo didn't run the 1500 but won the 800 in 2:14.04, with Aaron at 2:14.64 and Lex at 2:14.73. In the 1500 Aaron ran 4:32.80. There were other present day notables there- Doshi at 4:38.95, Jonah Bazerkanian at 4:42.69 (Bazerkanian is now a senior & last year ran 4:11.89 1600 and 9:04.65 3200). I think most would agree that all of the above showed talent in the 8th grade.
But then for comparison I examined the performances of some of the best 7th and 8th graders at the 2019 USATF National Junior Olympics. I looked at the 1500 results for 13-14. In the prelims and finals 15 runners posted faster times than Lex's PR of 4:26.77. I then looked at their performances to date. A few are recognizable names: Carter Cutting, who ran a 4:18 1500 there has since run 1:50.24 and 4:10.91 in the mile, Samuel Burgess, 9:11.99 two mile, Logan Law, 4:16.88/9:04. There may be a few others. But most made modest gains from their 2019 performance, some leveled off and a few others may not have continued with track.
Everyone can draw their own conclusions from this data. Would the Young bros. & Aaron Sahlman have performed as well with other coaches? Perhaps, but regardless the fact that they did perform that well means that Sean Brosnan should get some credit for optimizing their talent. It is curious that virtually none of the other top performers at the 2019 junior Olympics have matched the Young bros and Aaron Sahlman and only a few have come close to them.
I read that Nico Young was 5’1” when he started 9th grade. Does it surprise you that he went on to destroy everyone that might have beaten him in middle school?
The thing is Brosnan will only get like 2 scholarships for distance at sprint focused UCLA. That means Lex, Leo, and an army of walk-ons would be his XC team. Those two are too good not to get full rides. It will be hard to have XC success in that setup. He’s better off recruiting partial scholarship guys and building a decent distance squad.
To elaborate further I went back to 2019 results, when the Young twins and Aaron Sahlman were 14 year old 8th graders. I looked at the results of the VCYTC-SCYTFC meet in May, 2019. Those are two adjacent youth track conferences. In that meet Lex ran a 1500 PR of 4:26.77. Leo didn't run the 1500 but won the 800 in 2:14.04, with Aaron at 2:14.64 and Lex at 2:14.73. In the 1500 Aaron ran 4:32.80. There were other present day notables there- Doshi at 4:38.95, Jonah Bazerkanian at 4:42.69 (Bazerkanian is now a senior & last year ran 4:11.89 1600 and 9:04.65 3200). I think most would agree that all of the above showed talent in the 8th grade.
But then for comparison I examined the performances of some of the best 7th and 8th graders at the 2019 USATF National Junior Olympics. I looked at the 1500 results for 13-14. In the prelims and finals 15 runners posted faster times than Lex's PR of 4:26.77. I then looked at their performances to date. A few are recognizable names: Carter Cutting, who ran a 4:18 1500 there has since run 1:50.24 and 4:10.91 in the mile, Samuel Burgess, 9:11.99 two mile, Logan Law, 4:16.88/9:04. There may be a few others. But most made modest gains from their 2019 performance, some leveled off and a few others may not have continued with track.
Everyone can draw their own conclusions from this data. Would the Young bros. & Aaron Sahlman have performed as well with other coaches? Perhaps, but regardless the fact that they did perform that well means that Sean Brosnan should get some credit for optimizing their talent. It is curious that virtually none of the other top performers at the 2019 junior Olympics have matched the Young bros and Aaron Sahlman and only a few have come close to them.
I read that Nico Young was 5’1” when he started 9th grade. Does it surprise you that he went on to destroy everyone that might have beaten him in middle school?
Didn’t see the previous posted until after I did mine but the point is that not everyone has the same rate of physical maturity and it’s true in every sport.
I happen to know a new recruit to the NAU team (Terrence Keyes) and he told me that Nico believes that Lex and Leo will not go to NAU; however, wherever they go they will go together.
Well then UCLA would be the right choice for them then.
What about Doshi and Aaron Sahlman?
What if they don’t want to stay in L.A.? You don’t know them personally and maybe where Brosnan coaches won’t be the biggest factor in their decision.
How good was Nico as a freshman and sophomore. I don't believe he was very good as a soph. cross country runner, but then made a big jump during track season that began his upward track. Coach Brosnan did a great job with him.
Dude grew like 9 inches in 1 year. Did Brosnan somehow hang him upside down or put him on a stretch machine, feed him more broccoli?
So how much better do you think Nico would have been with another coach? It would would be pretty hard to top his xc accomplishments. And, of course, he did not really have a senior track season.
Dude grew like 9 inches in 1 year. Did Brosnan somehow hang him upside down or put him on a stretch machine, feed him more broccoli?
So how much better do you think Nico would have been with another coach? It would would be pretty hard to top his xc accomplishments. And, of course, he did not really have a senior track season.
We'll never know, but if you're asking why he developed so quickly, 9 inches usually helps.
What coaching have histories of taking average kids and making them great? Doshi ran 9:02 as a sophomore, which you think isn't great. Can you list 1 or 2 other coaches who are taking average kids and getting them sub-9 as sophomores? Or even consistently getting sub-9s by the end of HS?
Without even worrying about making average kids great, can you name 2 coaches who have histories of making kids great? Did they turn a 5:18 8th grader into an 8:44 senior? Are there any other schools with an 8:44 guy as #6 on their all time list?
Without the Youngs and Sahlmans, Brosnan has gotten 8:44, 8:52, 9:00, 9:02, and a slew of 9:20s. What school can beat that? Seems to me like even without his best kids, he's got one of the best records ever.
Ok, easy there big fella. Doshi running 9:02 and 4:19 as a sophomore is good when you compare that to 8:43 and 4:07 as a sophomore, which is great. The class of seniors now was running 8:4x/4:0x as sophomores while the current class of juniors were running 9:52, 4:26 and 10:17, 4:35, etc.
Brosnan or any other coach is not going to turn Doshi, Porter, Shetty and Sloan into the Youngs and Sahlmans.
The reign was over with or without Brosnan.
Are any coaches going to turn Dickran/Noah Sloan/Adrian Cantu/Bernardino/Zasloff/Roe (all class of 2026 except for 2027 Cantu) into the Youngs and Sahlmans?
Yes, they still have the two Young twins and Aaron Sahlman on the boys side. But with Sean Brosnan leaving, their reign will come to an end. This year they will be able to get away with winning because of their three superstar runners. After that, they will revert back to a no name California school once more.
Yes, they still have the two Young twins and Aaron Sahlman on the boys side. But with Sean Brosnan leaving, their reign will come to an end. This year they will be able to get away with winning because of their three superstar runners. After that, they will revert back to a no name California school once more.
I mean, it’s not like Newbury Park will be bad enough to not go to state after Class of 2023 is gone.
They will still be able to find at least 7 guys that can help them get there. Doshi/ Porter/ Sloan 1 /Sloan 2 /Dickran/ Shetty/ Watson/ Adrian Cantu if he goes there. That’s 8 studs actually. So one stud will be limited to watching varsity compete at state
So how much better do you think Nico would have been with another coach? It would would be pretty hard to top his xc accomplishments. And, of course, he did not really have a senior track season.
We'll never know, but if you're asking why he developed so quickly, 9 inches usually helps.
Fastest kid in my son's class, 8th grade, grew that much before his freshman year, and graduated before he was even close to his 8th grade times.
What coaching have histories of taking average kids and making them great? Doshi ran 9:02 as a sophomore, which you think isn't great. Can you list 1 or 2 other coaches who are taking average kids and getting them sub-9 as sophomores? Or even consistently getting sub-9s by the end of HS?
Without even worrying about making average kids great, can you name 2 coaches who have histories of making kids great? Did they turn a 5:18 8th grader into an 8:44 senior? Are there any other schools with an 8:44 guy as #6 on their all time list?
Without the Youngs and Sahlmans, Brosnan has gotten 8:44, 8:52, 9:00, 9:02, and a slew of 9:20s. What school can beat that? Seems to me like even without his best kids, he's got one of the best records ever.
Ok, easy there big fella. Doshi running 9:02 and 4:19 as a sophomore is good when you compare that to 8:43 and 4:07 as a sophomore, which is great. The class of seniors now was running 8:4x/4:0x as sophomores while the current class of juniors were running 9:52, 4:26 and 10:17, 4:35, etc.
Brosnan or any other coach is not going to turn Doshi, Porter, Shetty and Sloan into the Youngs and Sahlmans.
The reign was over with or without Brosnan.
The question is, with Guevara transferred to NP, the freshman class they have, the transfers they keep bringing in, and possible Cantù’s 4:39 brother going there next year, is if all of those guys I bolded are certain to be in the NP top 7 in 2023
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