The difference between the 5k/10k records and the 1500 record is that El G was better at the 1500 than Bekele was at either of his distances… of course Bekele is still an all-time great, the GOAT of the long distance besides Kipchoge, but El G was just SO dominant at 1500. How many other middle-distance runners have run 3:26.XX MULTIPLE TIMES, 3:27 multiple times, etc? Of course El G’s record is still untouched. The man (while probablt doped up) was a god of the middle distances.
The difference between the 5k/10k records and the 1500 record is that El G was better at the 1500 than Bekele was at either of his distances… of course Bekele is still an all-time great, the GOAT of the long distance besides Kipchoge, but El G was just SO dominant at 1500. How many other middle-distance runners have run 3:26.XX MULTIPLE TIMES, 3:27 multiple times, etc? Of course El G’s record is still untouched. The man (while probablt doped up) was a god of the middle distances.
I agree, El G is a real G, no doubt about that. His double gold in 1500/5k in Athens makes him one of the all time great runners.
However, Cheptegei is a 5k and 10k WR holder, who took them from another real G, Mr. Bekele.
This race will be 5k and he have Cheptegei in his natural habitat vs Jacob in his kinda natural habitat since he is famous for his high weekly mileage, but is it enough against a 5k and a 10k WR holder? I am pretty certain that it isn't but we shall see.
I've never seen anyone as overhyped as Jakob on this forum.
dude has never won a single medal in the 5000m, but you would think he was an all-time great in that discipline by the way this place talks about him.
Guys are saying he's the favorite over Cheptegei???? The reigning gold medalist and record holder in the 5000m.
pure delusion
+1
Chep made a mental/tactical mistake in Tokyo that cost him the 10k gold, if not for that we would be heralding him as the next Geb/Bekele. People forget that Bekele attempted the double twice in ‘03 and ‘04 and failed both times, getting beaten by Kipchoge in ‘03 and El G both times. Geb only attempted the double once and failed (tho likely would’ve succeeded on multiple attempts). Chep has many chances to get his double, including tomorrow. He has the world records, he’s proven he can kick with the best of them at any pace, standing clear of the field in that tactical 10k here as well as the fast 5k in Tokyo. This is his race to lose, no matter how angry Jakob gets.
The difference between the 5k/10k records and the 1500 record is that El G was better at the 1500 than Bekele was at either of his distances… of course Bekele is still an all-time great, the GOAT of the long distance besides Kipchoge, but El G was just SO dominant at 1500. How many other middle-distance runners have run 3:26.XX MULTIPLE TIMES, 3:27 multiple times, etc? Of course El G’s record is still untouched. The man (while probablt doped up) was a god of the middle distances.
I don’t think it’s that Bekele was worse at his distances, I think he was just happy with his times after he broke the world records and then was just focused on winning golds.
Just bc you run 1500 faster doesn’t mean your kicks superior. Cooper ran 3:50 last year and woody out kicked him at the trials. Kipchoge out kicked el g that one year. Bekele out kicked lagat in the 5000 2009. I could keep going but the point is that 10000m runners can kick just as good or better than milers.
The best ever closes in a sub-14 5000m race that I found: Morceli closed in 51.93 in Zurich, El Guerrouj 52.6 in Athens, and Lagat beat Bekele by .8 with a 51.79 (not leader to leader) close in the 12:59 race, the best of all.
malmo Follow Block #9 11 years ago 05/26/2011 9:35pm CDT re: oh please ReplyBack To Index Interesting. I run it though MovieMaker frame-by-frame Bekele hits the 4600m line at 12:07.26, Lagat at 12:07.43 4600m using frame-by-frame from the video 12:07.26 Bekele 12:07.43 Lagat 5000m from the official results 12:59.22 Lagat 13:00.04 Lagat 12:59.22 Leader (Lagat) - 12:07.26 Leader (Bekele) 51.96 = leader's last lap The onscreen graphic shows the last lap at 51.96. Bekele finished 0.82 behind Lagat. 51.96 +0.82 52.78 = Bekele's last lap. Lagat started the last lap 0.17s behind Bekele. 51.96 -0.17 51.79 = Lagat's last lap
The difference between the 5k/10k records and the 1500 record is that El G was better at the 1500 than Bekele was at either of his distances… of course Bekele is still an all-time great, the GOAT of the long distance besides Kipchoge, but El G was just SO dominant at 1500. How many other middle-distance runners have run 3:26.XX MULTIPLE TIMES, 3:27 multiple times, etc? Of course El G’s record is still untouched. The man (while probablt doped up) was a god of the middle distances.
Disagree strongly with this. Bekele was unbeatable at 10,000m during his prime 2003-2009 and he didn't need his teammates to sacrifice their race to pace him in championship finals either
13:02 early this year before starting serious speed work.
3:46 mile.
More like he's in about 12:45 shape.
And he's pissed about that 1500m.
I was at the 13:02 race and he basically just stayed on pace, and then decided with 100 to go he wanted to win. Agree he could go much faster than 13:02.
Um.....maybe I'm a little off today, but did I imagine that he once did 12:48 or something?
I hope Jakob wins so the doubters are permanently silenced. You know, the ones who said he would never win an Olympic or world medal then changed their narrative after he won 15 gold. Now they say he can not win the 5k. Typical narrative alteration without accountability. Those clowns saying Fisher will medal at 5k need a reality check. They'll fall silent when he finishes 8th in the 5k final. Again, no accountability. Fisher did have a great 10k run though and he runs that distance to perfection in championship meets.
The difference between the 5k/10k records and the 1500 record is that El G was better at the 1500 than Bekele was at either of his distances… of course Bekele is still an all-time great, the GOAT of the long distance besides Kipchoge, but El G was just SO dominant at 1500. How many other middle-distance runners have run 3:26.XX MULTIPLE TIMES, 3:27 multiple times, etc? Of course El G’s record is still untouched. The man (while probablt doped up) was a god of the middle distances.
Overall bekele the better runner tbh. 5000/10000m goat, xc goat, came short of marathon record by 2 seconds. Also his 5 and 10 record isn’t getting touched without super spikes.
and it's at that year Barega was in the level 12:45 5000m.
Bro you know that was just after Jakob’s 19th birthday right?
Cheptegei should be considered the favorite. But I’m predicting 1. Ingebrigtsen 2. Cheptegei 3. either Barega or Krop, with Kimeli or Fisher rounding out the top 5.
This is gonna be a tight race. The top tier of Cheptegei, Barega, Krop, Kimeli, Kejelcha and Jakob are all in 12:40 shape. Tactically, Cheptegei, Barega and Jakob have the advantage, so they should go off as favorites. But Krop, Kimeli and Kejelcha are fresh so that gives them a fighting chance if they run smart. Fisher and Ahmed are tactically smart and patient, but I see them as more likely to pick up the pieces for a medal rather than win.
Look, your probably right that Fisher shouldn’t be predicted higher than 4th, but kinda un-cool to call those who differ clowns. He’s in the conversation, he’s made fans, and that’s awesome. I’d love to see him do it. My rank order of likely medalists:
1(abc) Cheptegei, Barega, Ingebrigsten
2(abcde) Kejelcha, Krop, Kipkorir, Fisher, Ahmed
3(ab) Edris, Ebenyo.
I might be way low on Krop and Kipkorir, but that’s my gut. Same with Edris, but I think new blood favored.
And, BTW, Mo Ahmed is the guy who deserves more hype from let’s run. 1s behind Fisher at 10k and 5s faster at 5k (1 year separated, and out vs in, but so what). He’s amazing. Anyway, more love for Mo, even though I think Fisher still a notch better at this moment.