Just about everyone who's joined to the group has turned into a huge success story. But, I think because they're fun to root for people maybe raised their expectations a little too high after those indoor results.
Beamish is a 13:12 guy, while a huge improvement from college he's still giving up almost 30 seconds to the top tier. Yeah he looked bad and fell off early, but just keeping him healthy for a year and getting him to this starting line was huge win for Ritz.
Yeah, but the 5k also isn't his event, he's a miler. He's only running the 5k at World's because he couldn't get the standard for the 1500. With his combination of 13:12 5k ability and his amazing close, he should be able to run 3:35. His resistance to running a good pace for the first three laps is costing him opportunities in his preferred event. The OAC team are really likable, easy to root for, so I hope they can fix the issues that they have. Ritz should have his milers work together to run the standard as soon as the window opens for Budapest. There's still a lot running left this season.
Very talented team, juicy budget, rookie coach. OAC need an experienced assistant coach or mentor. Klecker and Monson were fine, any event that requires nuance is well beyond Ritz's capabilities for now.
Hoare had a bad race. No way to sugar coat it. He was the only one in the group with realistic expectations to be a factor at this level.
But seriously what did you expect from everyone else?
Beamish a total non-factor but I didn't expect much of him at this level right now. Maybe he could have been a guy to get a time qualifier for the final if he was in the right heat but he's not one of the top 10k runners in world. Klecker and Monson did fine. What am I missing?
They are a new group and have figured out how to contend and even dominate at the USA level, but they are a bit over their heads at the world level. Given a few years, Ritz and the kids will figure things out. I'm sure that Garcia Romo will give them some tips lol.
Yeah, that's kinda how I'm feeling. Beamish hasn't really shown that he's a top contender at 5k. He just happened to get the 5k standard. The one time I remember they went for the 1500 standard was at The Ten and the pace lights were off. Hoare was a big upset but I don't think we should jump to the conclusion of bad coaching when he could have just had an off day. Regardless, I'm sure Ritz/the team are gonna learn from what happened and fix it for next year. Their 1500 squad is a 3:47 guy, a 3:30 guy, and two of the most talented kickers out there. If the only thing they have to fix next year is peaking a couple weeks later, I think they're in a really good spot.
Hoare had a bad race. No way to sugar coat it. He was the only one in the group with realistic expectations to be a factor at this level.
But seriously what did you expect from everyone else?
Beamish a total non-factor but I didn't expect much of him at this level right now. Maybe he could have been a guy to get a time qualifier for the final if he was in the right heat but he's not one of the top 10k runners in world. Klecker and Monson did fine. What am I missing?
There's no way Monson or Klecker could have done better. Monson was only 8 seconds off of her PB in a championship style race. She is only 24, she was never going to run 30:30 this year. Klecker was 9th in the world, nobody would have expected that out of him 3 years ago.
As people said with Jacob one of reasons he lost is he reacted to Tim’s moves a few times. Slight changes in pace probably do not take too much energy but there is also an impact to mental energy and concentration. Be interested in Ollie take next podcast but I think what happened is he was up and down the field a few times reacting to moves and that took up too much mental and physical energy and had nothing left final straight. I just think some of you guys have no idea about the sport at the highest level. I always remember folks saying 5 seconds at ncaa XC can be 8 spots and I think here Ollie was at 95% and ar this level in a tactical race it doesn’t get it done. I means it’s ifs and buts at this stage but I really believe if he was in that final the way the race went he’s no worse that 6th/7th and you cannot say that’s a bad race. Ripping on On because of this seems silly.
Correct analysis. Hoare ran 3:47 a couple weeks ago. Clearly moving in the right direction from a career perspective.
Just about everyone who's joined to the group has turned into a huge success story. But, I think because they're fun to root for people maybe raised their expectations a little too high after those indoor results.
Beamish is a 13:12 guy, while a huge improvement from college he's still giving up almost 30 seconds to the top tier. Yeah he looked bad and fell off early, but just keeping him healthy for a year and getting him to this starting line was huge win for Ritz.
Yeah, but the 5k also isn't his event, he's a miler. He's only running the 5k at World's because he couldn't get the standard for the 1500. With his combination of 13:12 5k ability and his amazing close, he should be able to run 3:35. His resistance to running a good pace for the first three laps is costing him opportunities in his preferred event. The OAC team are really likable, easy to root for, so I hope they can fix the issues that they have. Ritz should have his milers work together to run the standard as soon as the window opens for Budapest. There's still a lot running left this season.
Beamish is going to top end out at 3.35 13.10 that's just the way it is. Not everyone who tries is going to become a 3.28 12.45 guy that's the cruel truth. Just would have been nice to at least see him have a crack like Grijalva.
Idk if I'd say Beamish isn't very good, I think his NCAA title and Millrose win show he's certainly good. He outkicked Hocker and Teare who were in 3:50 shape. He ran 13:12 and can close like a freight train, so he may just need another year of consistent training to be able to compete in the final.
So far, I think Klecker was really good, Monson was ok, and Hoare/Beamish underperformed. I think we'll need to wait till the postseason before we know if Hoare/Beamish mistimed their peaks or if they just had a bad day.
Typically we are quick to blame the athlete. I believe Hoare and Beamish have potential but their training isn't right. I would say that about anyone. I don't think too much of the coaching these days. How much stock do we put in this years World Cups? Maybe at this point you work on base and consistency and worry about performance later. So if this is a question about OAC then I would say it depends on what their strategy is.
Yeah, that's kinda how I'm feeling. Beamish hasn't really shown that he's a top contender at 5k. He just happened to get the 5k standard. The one time I remember they went for the 1500 standard was at The Ten and the pace lights were off. Hoare was a big upset but I don't think we should jump to the conclusion of bad coaching when he could have just had an off day. Regardless, I'm sure Ritz/the team are gonna learn from what happened and fix it for next year. Their 1500 squad is a 3:47 guy, a 3:30 guy, and two of the most talented kickers out there. If the only thing they have to fix next year is peaking a couple weeks later, I think they're in a really good spot.
Only thing is I thought Hoare looked exhausted on the line. sunken cheeks. I thought he looked cooked before he started — not a question of an off day.
Please use less explosive thread titles. I honestly thought for a moment that there was an actual bombing since I did not know what OAC stood for. How about "OAC underperforming @ Worlds?"
Let's talk about Nic Bideau absolutely cooking his runners by overtraining/racing. Look at the racing most of his athletes did who performed poorly at these champs.
Geordie's only running 5 days a week right now. If he can manage to bump up the volume a bit and stay injury-free I think it'll show, especially in the longer distances.
always struggled to comprehend how someone’s body is capable of running 13:12 but also not capable of running 7 days a week. With all the resources at their disposal, how are athletes of this caliber unable to run more than 60 miles a week?
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