But if you were a 10.0 guy you wouldn't be a 10.0 guy in that same time period.
But if you were a 10.0 guy you wouldn't be a 10.0 guy in that same time period.
SNEKP wrote:
Most likely not. Unless of course you have kept in shape for a number of years and now you are going to totally focus. Remember when Jim (3:51.1) Ryun took a year off in early seventies, trained for six months and his first mile time trial was over 5 minutes. It ain't easy for anybody, brother.
Source? Sarcasm?
Sounds insanely hard.
The current M45 world record holder is Tony Whiteman with 1:49:86 at the age of 45. He has PBs of 1:45.81/3:32.34 and at the age of 47 he ran 1:53.05.
I’d love for you to prove me wrong, but I don’t see this happening. For you to come through in 58.x, I really believe that you’d have to be able to lace them up and go to the track today and hit a 56.
I think a much more realistic goal would be for you to run a 207 going 61/65.x, presuming your lifetime 1:54 PR is real and not just what you think you ‘could of done.’
Yeah Nolan Shaheed has the 50-55 record at 1:58.65 and he set that right at 50. Only one other 50+ has gone sub 2 according to Wiki. So, possible since you are 3 years shy of 50 and had a 1:54 back in the day... but not likely. Good Luck.
That is very ambitious: would put you in the top-10, maybe top-5 in the US for that age. You are 47, your PR at age 20 is not too relevant how did you age is the most important factor. What kind of shape are you in? Did you do some workout that suggests sub-2 shape? I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but if you are coming off the couch and training for 2 months, it is not going to happen.
Thank you for all the responses. Hearing from other runners motivates me. I am going to make this attempt in sept after a 10 week training block.
current fitness:
weight 159
2021 5k at 155lbs = 16:45
2021 mile at 157lbs = 4:31 ( 5th Ave mile - felt I had 4 more secs left in me)
Today bike ftp is about 290 watts with 2 minute max avg power 410 watts
I was about 145 lbs when I ran a 1:54 in 1996. Over the next 10 weeks I am going to train like a 400 meter guy. The focus is quality with significant rest between intervals. Goal weight is 154lbs for attempt
‘I will try to find a race but don’t think this race exists in sept.
Your recent mile makes it seem a whole lot more plausible than anything else here (including your PR from 1996) does. I honestly do not have a really great idea of how 800m and mile times compare for men in their forties, but I'd reckon a large majority of younger men that could run a 4:31 mile could run 800m right around 2:00 or possibly slightly faster.
Pump and Run Vaughan wrote:
Thank you for all the responses. Hearing from other runners motivates me. I am going to make this attempt in sept after a 10 week training block.
current fitness:
weight 159
2021 5k at 155lbs = 16:45
2021 mile at 157lbs = 4:31 ( 5th Ave mile - felt I had 4 more secs left in me)
Today bike ftp is about 290 watts with 2 minute max avg power 410 watts
I was about 145 lbs when I ran a 1:54 in 1996. Over the next 10 weeks I am going to train like a 400 meter guy. The focus is quality with significant rest between intervals. Goal weight is 154lbs for attempt
‘I will try to find a race but don’t think this race exists in sept.
What do you think about going back down to 145 pounds? Maybe not this year but over the next year or so?
2:00 at 47 age-grades to 94%, which is 1:47 for open.
Road mile times simply don't count, sorry. 4:25 on the track is an indicator of sufficient fitness, but not a guarantee
When I was close to your age I run 5th avenue mile in 4:3X and had a 16:4X 5K PR. My 800m time was 2:05; if you happen to be a pure 800m runner or a 400/800m type, you may have a chance. Good luck!
The answer to your original question depends on this: did you train at a high level at age 20 to produce your 1:54 time? If so your chances of breaking 2:00 today are nil. If you trained on Fritos and half-did your workouts to produce a 1:54, you may have a chance of sub-2 today if you train like a champion.
Depends on so many factors. How well you've aged and most importantly, how much speed you still have in those legs. Biggest shock to my body getting back into the mid-distances after 40 was the speed (or lack thereof). The 1:54 27 years ago isn't meaningless, but it also doesn't make it more likely than not. Certainly nothing wrong w/trying though.
I ran the 1:54 in college, running D3. I trained well but seemed to be missing strength or good endurance. I would crumble when my mileage would go over 50 mpw. If I did a race over one mile ( 4:00 - 1500 meter pr) my times were significantly slower and not comparable. In college I had the turnover but no endurance ( 400 meter pr 50.1 relay). Today I have more endurance ( bike racing for last 15 years) and I have more power (squats + bike). While training for the Fifth Ave mile last year i was able to pop off a 2:06ish 800 in training. I think 2 minutes is possible if I lose weight. I have struggled with the discipline needed to get back into the high 140’s or low 150’s. I have set the target at 154lbs as I run well at this weight. This is certainly possible but I continue to snack and drink. Training begins today!1111
It's definitely possible. Plenty of 800m Masters runners with PBs slower than yours who are running anywhere from 1:58-2:05 at the 45 and 50 age range.
It's definitely possible. Plenty of 800m Masters runners with PBs slower than yours who are running anywhere from 1:58-2:05 at the 45 and 50 age range.
Pump and Run Vaughan wrote:
My goal is to run a sub 2 min 800 meter at 47. I am aiming for a sept attempt. I will need some pacers for at least 550 meters. The first 400 in 58. I live in Washington DC. Can anyone lend their wheels for 550 meters who can do a 90 sec 600 meters like clockwork?
Have you been training consistently ever since? If not. Then no. Have you trained for a good span of time focusing on the 800m? If not, then no.
Most likely, you can't. But I wish you luck.
I love the "spike up" comment.
Let us know how long it takes you to walk somewhat normal again, OP.
This should put things in perspective. The relevant stuff 10 seconds in. A 40 year old training to be the US/World leader in masters 800.
Love your goal! I'm shooting for something similar, though not quite as tough, but want to get back to sub 5 and run a sub 5 after 50 which is next year for me. I'll be following your thread and progress and best of luck! PS - I just ordered that book that was recommended above, "Faster than 40", looks like a good read for our attempts...