Good speed work for a 1500/5000 runner. About what I predicted in the 1:46-1:48 range. Maybe at best he'll be able to get to 1:45-1:44 if he focused on it for a few months. But I wouldn't want him risking pulling a hamstring for a 800 PB when the 1500/5000 is his bread and butter.
Just training and testing for Jakob. I would love to know his metrics on this 800 and what his heart rate was. Remember he's a 1500/5000 runner. He still has a few weeks to sharpen before World's.
The thing is, Jacob has an impressive collection of times, but he isn't that fast for a 1500 runner. In other words he's vulnerable in a slow, tactical race. In a championship race with no pacer Jacob has to lead and keep the pace fast to maximize his chances, but that means everyone else can just sit on him and use him as a pacer.
And Jakob will be a 12:45 5000m runner by the end of this summer, so ca. 15s faster than Moorcroft in 5000m. Endurance always comes at the cost of the speed and vice versa. Therefore it's absolutely plausible, that he simply is not faster than Moorcraft in 800m.
I would not be surprised if Cheptegai would struggle to break 1:50.
How quickly can an athlete transition from max endurance to max speed for their potential? Is this a 3-6 month process, or years in the making, or at some point irreversible? I’m not sure if Jakob is the best example, but how long would it take him to break 1:45? If he manages it, then it would be impossible for him to contemporaneously break 13? How on earth does Hassan manage to run low 3:50s and 29 minutes in the same season? Could she have also run 1:57?
If you carefully watch Jakobs running form in this 800m race, you will notice that he somewhat "sits" and his ground contact is also longer than that of the other runners. He compensates with a strong lean of the upper body though, which makes his stride effective and economical, but less powerful and fluid compared to "true" 800m runners.
Normally people tend to competitively run the shortest distance that their running form is allowing them to be good at.
Jakob never had the speed for 100m-800m, because of the limitations of his running form, therefore he focused on 1500m-5000m. So if he would specifically train for a 800m race only, he might be able to improve to 1:45, but that would be his limit.
I myself spent an entire season focusing on improving my 400m speed only to shave off 0,5s compared to my PB, when focusing on 800m/1500m, clearly a limitation of my running form. And if you work harder then what your stride allows you, injuries begin.
I personally think that being elite in an "under" distance and elite in an "over distance" could make a runner a GOAT in his true distance. That's why Jakob needs that 1:45 800m and that's why Athing Mu needs that 4:20 mile.
If I was Jakob, I would focus on winning 1500m/5000m double in Oregon this year and next year start working on improving his 10k, so he can take a shot at the 5000m WR.
This would be more realistic than trying to run a 3:25 1500m WR...
If you carefully watch Jakobs running form in this 800m race, you will notice that he somewhat "sits" and his ground contact is also longer than that of the other runners. He compensates with a strong lean of the upper body though, which makes his stride effective and economical, but less powerful and fluid compared to "true" 800m runners.
Normally people tend to competitively run the shortest distance that their running form is allowing them to be good at.
Jakob never had the speed for 100m-800m, because of the limitations of his running form, therefore he focused on 1500m-5000m. So if he would specifically train for a 800m race only, he might be able to improve to 1:45, but that would be his limit.
I myself spent an entire season focusing on improving my 400m speed only to shave off 0,5s compared to my PB, when focusing on 800m/1500m, clearly a limitation of my running form. And if you work harder then what your stride allows you, injuries begin.
I personally think that being elite in an "under" distance and elite in an "over distance" could make a runner a GOAT in his true distance. That's why Jakob needs that 1:45 800m and that's why Athing Mu needs that 4:20 mile.
Thank you for your detailed answer. So, we have Hassan as a perfect example. Elite at 800, near goat at 1500 and 10000. Maybe she’s burnt out now, but she should have been the first woman under 14 min. It seems obvious. Maybe it’s not too late.
Hassan is not historically great at 800m. She is historically great at 1500m to 10000m. Mo Farah came somewhat close to being that. Maybe you can guess as to why in both cases.
1:47 is absolutely pathetic and 4th place is even worse. I expected 2nd place yesterday and the fact that he couldn't manage that was embarrassing. How is Jakob going to run 3:25 as you guys mention if he can't even run 1:46.x? How at age 21 is his speed regressing, get him a real coach please.
It is a good workout for Jakob. He likely trained right through it.
That is b.s. If J.I. would have raced 1:43.xx or 1:44.xx, all the J.I. fans on here would be posting: I told you! Now that J.I. raced 800m at a level some where between D-1 mid-major and D-2, posters are saying J.I. didn't back off his training.
It is a good workout for Jakob. He likely trained right through it.
That is b.s. If J.I. would have raced 1:43.xx or 1:44.xx, all the J.I. fans on here would be posting: I told you! Now that J.I. raced 800m at a level some where between D-1 mid-major and D-2, posters are saying J.I. didn't back off his training.
I don’t like Jakob. I don’t root for Jakob. My post was probably accurate. IF it is not accurate, it is not accurate. I posted based on reason, not fandom. Try it sometime.
Hassan is not historically great at 800m. She is historically great at 1500m to 10000m. Mo Farah came somewhat close to being that. Maybe you can guess as to why in both cases.
Let’s leave the doping accusations aside. Plenty of dopers out there, and most are only great at a narrower range of events than Hassan. So, again, no runner ever has had the range of Hassan, right? I mean she held the mile and 10000 wrs at the same time! No, she’s not historically great at the 800, but she was/is elite, running sub 1:57. Mo is not close to her level. His 800 is much slower (relatively) and his 10000 is not remotely as impressive as hers.
Hassan is not historically great at 800m. She is historically great at 1500m to 10000m. Mo Farah came somewhat close to being that. Maybe you can guess as to why in both cases.
Let’s leave the doping accusations aside. Plenty of dopers out there, and most are only great at a narrower range of events than Hassan. So, again, no runner ever has had the range of Hassan, right? I mean she held the mile and 10000 wrs at the same time! No, she’s not historically great at the 800, but she was/is elite, running sub 1:57. Mo is not close to her level. His 800 is much slower (relatively) and his 10000 is not remotely as impressive as hers.
You really struggle with this. Mo Farah is facing MEN, where the pool is historically and currently still much deeper. It is MUCH easier to have fantastic range as a doping female than a doping male. This shouldn’t be that difficult for you oh wise man.