Nick Bare went One More: 2:48:11 @ Buffalo Marathon

Thumbs down for linking to a voice so high pitched that made my dog run away.

I think the point is if he is actually is using PEDs (doping), then it is a slap in the face to all the honest, hard working (clean) marathon runners out there. It's not about "coming from a traditional running background" or "weighing 180 lbs or 200lbs" it's simply about following the rules of the sport. So there is a component of ethics and integrity and tradition when it comes to using performance enhancing drugs (or not). Why would I be impressed if someone on EPO/hgh/testosterone ran unnaturally fast for their body type? They cheated! Maybe they can wear roller blades next time? Ultimately you are stealing a Boston Marathon spot from someone if that was the case. If tested, a positive would result in a DQ and a multi-year ban from the sport. In ultra running you'd have a lifetime ban from races like Western States 100 for that.

That being said I'm sure many a social media influencers are on all sorts of illegal things. I don't know why people believe what they see on social media these days...there are so many layers of facades....it's mostly surface level fluff!

It's like being "successful in business" when one got a bunch of money from their parents to burn and cheated on their taxes. Do we celebrate insider trading and how people make it big in financial markets doing that because of their " personal investment savvy"?

Disclaimer: I don't know the guy and I'm not saying he's on anything. I don't know anything about his background or his business/athletic history. I'm just explaining why some runners on LetsRun (who compete clean under WADA rules) might not take kindly to any person's times/performances if they happened to be on PEDs.

Fair point, and you’re right we can only make assumptions right now. There are some genetically gifted people out there that are capable of things a lot of us can’t do, and I feel most people will try to rationalize it by jumping to conclusions. I don’t think Nicks times are unattainable naturally even with his build. But who knows? The problem I see that you mentioned is taking a spot away from someone if he is “dirty”. Time will tell, but he seems like an honest guy, and has a hell of a work ethic. Pair that with great athleticism, and special things can happen. Or he’s juiced to the tits. I think it’s too early to jump to conclusions but people always will.

Wasn’t Hunter McIntyre going for a 2:30 as well? I thought I saw him post that somewhere. Chud does marathon or chud does an ultra seems to be quite the trope at the moment

I agree 100% with what Sage is saying here, obviously, and Sage is consistent with his admirable stand against doping. However, in the case of this message board in general, for sure a lot of it is jealousy as regards Bare being buff. For example, the post 'while on every illegal substance known to man', got 12 upvotes and 2 downvotes. If somebody here made the exact same comment about El G or some other equally obvious doper, it would get 2 upvotes and 12 down votes. Even convicted dopers such as Ramzi and Kiprop get a lot of support here. But a YouTuber running a 2:40 marathon while sporting guns is the cheating scum of the Earth.

Remember, 5 years ago this guy was pulling 700lbs. A number not done without A LOT of time and genetics.

Come on people!! This is too funny!!

Yeah because freaks of nature don't exist. I mean, Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps are just fictional characters. CrossFit elite athletes are just fictional characters. None of you all are geneticists so how can you rule out the possibility that there exists people with the genetics to do everything Big Nick does without illegal supplements? Bobby Fischer, ah, he never existed either, to use a non-sports analogy....

Ah, sweet summer child.

This is the moment Big Nick became legit. A blast from the past. I was on the edge of my seat hoping he would get it.

This song is the embodiment of his journey to greatness

Not 180-185.

He's way closer to 190 lbs.

Nick Symmonds is 185 lbs now, and he looks way less muscular than Bare.

If you knew he was 194 before marathon training, why would you say 225 currently? You are just adding silly hyperbole. He did an impressive run, likely weighing around 180.

180 can look very different on different people.

Symmonds isn't an ex bodybuilder with a low bf % and a lot of biceps.

Why do you all care? I had never heard of Nick Bare until I visited this forum. I suppose the whole instagram thing has passed me by and I refuse to visit his page because I don't want to give these airheads any money.

Am I impressed? No, not in the slightest.

There are many local runners who have done that time or faster whilst working a full time job and having kids. To me that is impressive. They are also all shapes and sizes... some are light some are heavy. What does it even matter? It is obvious Nick Bare is on a lot of suppliments.

Give the same posters that are trashing this effort all the substances Nick is likely on and they still don't run 2:48 (while likely weighing significantly less than ~200lbs with half the muscle mass)

He did a weigh in on his May 4th video - it was 186.

I'm heavier and faster, and not nearly as strong. I usually lose to someone bigger than myself too. That time at that size is really not noteworthy.

He clearly does the work, and he's also clearly on some gear. I do not know enough about PEDs to know how much of his running performance is due to them versus if he is just using them to maintain his physique.

I ran that race too and ran a PR with my watch telling me course was 3/4 of a mile short. Very flat too. Also, did not get any prize money since they no longer have a pool. Silly.

I think he should run one while pushing rojo in a stroller. The symbolism would be amazing.