I believe that the Canadian Brandon McBride ran 1:46.07 in HS. He ended up pretty good (1:43.20 best)
…Max Burgin ran 1:45.36 as a U18, 1:44.75 as a HS kid and improved further to 1:44.14 the next year (as a U20 in 2021)
Cade is less than 2s slower than Burgin was in HS. That’s smoking…
However, since Cade is only 1 year younger than Burgin, then maybe we should compare his performance to Burgin’s 1:44.14 (so he is slightly more than 2s slower than him.
On the US side, we would have to compare him to Brazier’s 1:43.55 performance as a U20. So still less than 3s slower.
Flatt is a special special athlete. A once in a generation type. He can go under 1:42 if he doesn't overtrain and injure.
Elaborate on this sub 1:42 talent?
This crop of high schoolers are ahead of schedule. Training from a younger age, traveling for competition now rather than in college. Private coaches, etc.
They are not all freakish world beaters, even if they get the 800 or mile or 5k high school records. Especially if it takes rabbited professional races to do it. They will move up to the NCAA and become mortals. Happens every year.
Many East Africans run superhuman times in high school and go to run superhuman times as adults. Not all pan out, but many do. Flatt could either end up being the next David Rudisha, or the next Drew Hunter. We just have to wait and see.
Yeah there's been tons of international talent every year that runs around 1:46.5 even faster. Most never get close to dipping under 1:43. Look where Amos ended up, you'd think he'd be running sub 1:41 regularly these days. Not bashing this kids accomplishments by any means but don't do him a disservice by throwing out big fantasy numbers.
And let's not forget the guy who Flatt is chasing, Grainville, never ran an 800m faster than his HS record 1:46.45
Flatt is a special special athlete. A once in a generation type. He can go under 1:42 if he doesn't overtrain and injure.
Elaborate on this sub 1:42 talent?
This crop of high schoolers are ahead of schedule. Training from a younger age, traveling for competition now rather than in college. Private coaches, etc.
They are not all freakish world beaters, even if they get the 800 or mile or 5k high school records. Especially if it takes rabbited professional races to do it. They will move up to the NCAA and become mortals. Happens every year.
None of that stuff makes any difference. Flatt has tremendous talent and how fast ultimately runs will come down to whether he continues to mature physically.
Many of the 800m records have been set by runners leading wire to wire so him having run in a professional race in no way taints his performance.
…Max Burgin ran 1:45.36 as a U18, 1:44.75 as a HS kid and improved further to 1:44.14 the next year (as a U20 in 2021)
Cade is less than 2s slower than Burgin was in HS. That’s smoking…
However, since Cade is only 1 year younger than Burgin, then maybe we should compare his performance to Burgin’s 1:44.14 (so he is slightly more than 2s slower than him.
On the US side, we would have to compare him to Brazier’s 1:43.55 performance as a U20. So still less than 3s slower.
Very decent…
When Brazier ran 1:43 he was already 19 and in college, neither of which apply to Flatt. But thanks for the apples to oranges comparison.
This crop of high schoolers are ahead of schedule. Training from a younger age, traveling for competition now rather than in college. Private coaches, etc.
They are not all freakish world beaters, even if they get the 800 or mile or 5k high school records. Especially if it takes rabbited professional races to do it. They will move up to the NCAA and become mortals. Happens every year.
None of that stuff makes any difference. Flatt has tremendous talent and how fast ultimately runs will come down to whether he continues to mature physically.
Many of the 800m records have been set by runners leading wire to wire so him having run in a professional race in no way taints his performance.
You think training years, coaching, and pacers don't make a difference? Come on.
None of that stuff makes any difference. Flatt has tremendous talent and how fast ultimately runs will come down to whether he continues to mature physically.
Many of the 800m records have been set by runners leading wire to wire so him having run in a professional race in no way taints his performance.
You think training years, coaching, and pacers don't make a difference? Come on.
I don’t. Kessler didn’t have an early start but managed 3:34 and Ryun didn’t commence distance running until he was a sophomore. There are a wide range of effective training methods so it doesn’t take a Brosnan for a runner to reach his HS potential. When Rudisha set his WR, the other runners in the race had the best pacer in 800m history but they couldn’t keep up.
The thing that most impressed me, watching the video, was that Flatt had the fastest second 400 of anyone in the field. I have no doubt he'll shatter the record at the next opportunity.
However, since Cade is only 1 year younger than Burgin, then maybe we should compare his performance to Burgin’s 1:44.14 (so he is slightly more than 2s slower than him.
On the US side, we would have to compare him to Brazier’s 1:43.55 performance as a U20. So still less than 3s slower.
Very decent…
When Brazier ran 1:43 he was already 19 and in college, neither of which apply to Flatt. But thanks for the apples to oranges comparison.
Yeah there's been tons of international talent every year that runs around 1:46.5 even faster. Most never get close to dipping under 1:43. Look where Amos ended up, you'd think he'd be running sub 1:41 regularly these days. Not bashing this kids accomplishments by any means but don't do him a disservice by throwing out big fantasy numbers.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Amos still running 1:43s while also being the top nightclub DJ in Botswana 2013 - 2016? He ran 1:41 high seven years after his Olympic silver medal. I am convinced he could have dominated the all-time performance list.
You think training years, coaching, and pacers don't make a difference? Come on.
I don’t. Kessler didn’t have an early start but managed 3:34 and Ryun didn’t commence distance running until he was a sophomore. There are a wide range of effective training methods so it doesn’t take a Brosnan for a runner to reach his HS potential. When Rudisha set his WR, the other runners in the race had the best pacer in 800m history but they couldn’t keep up.
Hobbs Kessler, the kid coached by Ron Warhurst in high school? Great example.
Jim Ryun, who was coached by Bob Timmons in high school and college? Another great example.
Believing pacing is ineffectual because no one could hang on to Rudisha one time? Stupid.
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