I’m a teacher. Students call me Mr. Leonard and refer to me as he/him since that’s how I identify.
if a kid insisted on calling me Ms. Leonard and calling me by she/her, it would be worthy of some type of discipline. This is essentially what is happening here.
for a student to do this exact same thing to a fellow student is at the very least bullying. It could certainly be seen as sexual harrassment as the victim student is made to feel lesser based on their gender.
You need help, serious help and you're part of the problem. Met an older couple this morning and listened to them talk about the wars where young men sacrificed their lives for freedom. Now we've come to this? They were 78 and 73 years old and they were disgusted by the last couple years and this WOKE crap. God Bless them both, as they are right and you Mr. are wrong. And you teach? Dear God, help us all.
I’m a teacher. Students call me Mr. Leonard and refer to me as he/him since that’s how I identify.
if a kid insisted on calling me Ms. Leonard and calling me by she/her, it would be worthy of some type of discipline. This is essentially what is happening here.
for a student to do this exact same thing to a fellow student is at the very least bullying. It could certainly be seen as sexual harrassment as the victim student is made to feel lesser based on their gender.
You need help, serious help and you're part of the problem. Met an older couple this morning and listened to them talk about the wars where young men sacrificed their lives for freedom. Now we've come to this? They were 78 and 73 years old and they were disgusted by the last couple years and this WOKE crap. God Bless them both, as they are right and you Mr. are wrong. And you teach? Dear God, help us all.
So let me get this straight. If I went up to a male army vet from these olden times and said, “I think you’re a girl. You’re a sissy little girl,” and that army vet said, “I’m not a girl and I’m going to kick your ass.” Is that vet being woke?
Every person, Republican, Democrat, woke, red-pilled, wants to be referred to with correct pronouns. Why do you decide who gets that respect and who doesn’t?
I think it's funny that you and the article use "charged" which is typically used in a legal sense. This is just the school district documenting three kids being mean to their classmate.
How can someone think they are a different gender than their sex? They are who they are. What if that man had grown up on an isolated island with a few other shipwrecked baby boys? He couldn't have grown up claiming to be a woman because he wouldn't even know what a woman is.
So let me get this straight. If I went up to a male army vet from these olden times and said, “I think you’re a girl. You’re a sissy little girl,” and that army vet said, “I’m not a girl and I’m going to kick your ass.” Is that vet being woke?
Every person, Republican, Democrat, woke, red-pilled, wants to be referred to with correct pronouns. Why do you decide who gets that respect and who doesn’t?
The scenario you've come up with is risible. It makes you sound someone with the mentality of a 4th grade bully who spends his time coming up with what he thinks are clever ways of letting the world know that he's a homophobe and misogynist in the making.
You really think an army vet in his 70s is gonna be offended - and threaten to kick your ass, no less - if you as a total stranger were to approach him and call him a sissy and a little girl? He'd probably think you're a nutter off your rocker or high out of your mind. Most likely he'd ignore you and give you wide berth whilst getting away from you as fast as he can. If he engaged with you at all, he'd probably just raise his brows whilst rolling his eyeballs or giving you withering side-eye. As he walked on by, he might remark to his companion with a laugh, "Jeez, what's with him?"
The fact that you assume a full grown man born in the 1940s who most likely has seen and heard it all would take umbrage at being called a a sissy and a little girl by a total stranger says a lot more about you than it does about any army veteran of the boomer generation.
You seem to believe that there's something horribly wrong and shameful about the very idea of being a little girl, or being mistaken for one. And about being, or thought to be, a sissy too. It's pathetic that in 2022 a grown man who claims to teach school is so hung up on stereotypes of manhood and masculinity that he imagines all other men in the world would be deeply offended and feel personally cut to the quick by some random stranger's puerile schoolboy taunts.
I fear the day is getting closer when I will be disciplined at work for not including pronouns in my email signature. However, I refuse to do it. If people really want to know, they can ask me, but I don't feel the need to advertise. The company on the other hand wants to bump up its ESG score.
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Every person, Republican, Democrat, woke, red-pilled, wants to be referred to with correct pronouns. Why do you decide who gets that respect and who doesn’t?
Oh c'mon, that's nonsense.
When we are being addressed directly and individually, the pronouns most people expect others to use are the appropriate second-person singular ones: you, your, yours, yourself.
When other people are talking about us in our absence or in communication amongst themselves in which we are not directly partaking, they usually use third-person singular pronouns - which in English happen to indicate the sex of the person being spoken of: she, her, hers, herself and he, him, his, himself. In certain limited situations, the sex-neutral usually plural they, them, theirs, themselves can used in a singular sense.
Truth be told, the vast majority of people really don't care much or at all if others call us him, her or they - especially when we are not there. Because most people learned in childhood that a good rule to live by is, Don't sweat the small stuff.
Moreover, in the course of adolescence, most people who aren't raging narcissists, control-freaks or very mentally unwell, also learned - and learned to accept - that none of us can control or dictate what other people think or say about us, or how they see us. We also learned that especially if other people have met us, or they have seen and heard us in photographs or particularly via video or film footage, we can't control whether or not they can perceive and tell our sex.
For the record: many women use, and long have used, initials or pseudonyms online and in certain professional contexts for the express purpose of obscuring our sex, as in the case of pen names used by authors like George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) and Robert Galbraith (Joanne Kathleen Rowling, aka JK Rowling) and by journalists like MFK Fisher (Mary Frances Kennedy Fisher). Because women know our work will be regarded more favorably, and we will be treated better, if others assume we are male. So even though we are accustomed to being referred to as she/her by people we have met face to face, or spoken to on the phone, in other contexts we don't take offense when we are called he/him. It doesn't bother us at all, in fact.
I personally have been called the wrong first name, the wrong last name, the wrong sex pronouns and addressed by the wrong honorifics and titles more times in my life than I can count. This has happened to my face, on the phone, in written correspondence, in credit reports and in legal documents. It's happened in published reports in newspapers and magazines, too, both in articles I've been mentioned in or have written. Big deal. Boo hoo.
If someone uses the wrong sex pronouns for me - as in "RunRagged, he's a jerk" or "hope someone slugs RunRagged in his fat mouth, I can't stand him"- the "misgendering" (so-called) is not going to ruin my day, dent my self-image, injure my pride or cause me to feel I've been deeply insulted and disrespected. And it's certainly not going to cause me to lodge a complaint alleging my civil rights have been violated and that I've been sexually harassed. I've experienced quite a bit of sexual harassment in my lifetime - this ain't it.
If the children in the case in the OP engaged in verbal taunting and name-calling, it would fall under anti-bullying rules in the code of conduct - and should be dealt with accordingly. But it's ridiculous to "make a federal case" out of this kind of middle-school behavior by lodging a formal complaint of civil rights violations under Title IX. Doing so makes a mockery of Title IX, which was passed to counter widespread sex discrimination in education - not to give some students the power to compel other students or teachers to utter certain words in order to demonstrate fealty to the tenets of the Church of Genderology.
Not once in my life have I concerned myself with what somebody calls me. Those who know me call me by my name or.....hey.....those who don't know me I don't care, don't worry about it.
Way too many uptight wimps out there today, sheesh~~~~
But, have to confess I find all this funny how we came to this silliness, yep....hahahahaha!!!!
People on this board appear to be so anti-bullying yet when there's a clear example of it happening you change your tune. So it's OK to bully those we don't like? I agree that it's all about intent. If they are intending to upset, make fun of etc that's different than a mistake. A mistake is just that - a mistake, it doesn't matter. On the other hand, if they were trying to cause harm it's totally different. I'm not sure what any of it has to do with sexual harassment though.
I’m a teacher. Students call me Mr. Leonard and refer to me as he/him since that’s how I identify.
if a kid insisted on calling me Ms. Leonard and calling me by she/her, it would be worthy of some type of discipline. This is essentially what is happening here.
for a student to do this exact same thing to a fellow student is at the very least bullying. It could certainly be seen as sexual harrassment as the victim student is made to feel lesser based on their gender.
No... gender is purely biological. The students refusing to call the other student "they" are simply telling the truth. To use your analogy... it would be like you telling your students that you identify as a cat and having them continue to call you Mr. Leonard. You would be the one that would need some discipline, NOT them.
I fear the day is getting closer when I will be disciplined at work for not including pronouns in my email signature. However, I refuse to do it. If people really want to know, they can ask me, but I don't feel the need to advertise. The company on the other hand wants to bump up its ESG score.
It’s insane people now put their pronouns in their email signature and LinkedIn profile. The positive is I instantly know I want nothing to do with them and I just avoid speaking to them.
Good, because it has absolutely no bearing on their lives if another person is a he or a she or a they.
If everyone would just cooperate and have some compassion the country would be a much better place.
but this is hardly sexual harassment
If someone introduced themselves as John and you deliberately and persistently went out of your way to refer to him as David, and you did so knowing it would cause distress or create an atmosphere for that person, you'll likely find yourself being accused of bullying.
In severe cases and if it forms part of a wider pattern of bullying behavior, you could find yourself being charged with harassment. That's true whether the person is trans or not.
It becomes sexual harassment when an element of the bullying/harassment is related to sex, gender, or sexual orientation as is the case in the article. If you continually and repeatedly used 'her' and 'she' to refer to a colleague because you felt his homosexuality invalidated his status as a man, you'll also be given a sexual harassment charge.
Every person, Republican, Democrat, woke, red-pilled, wants to be referred to with correct pronouns. Why do you decide who gets that respect and who doesn’t?
Oh c'mon, that's nonsense.
When we are being addressed directly and individually, the pronouns most people expect others to use are the appropriate second-person singular ones: you, your, yours, yourself.
When other people are talking about us in our absence or in communication amongst themselves in which we are not directly partaking, they usually use third-person singular pronouns - which in English happen to indicate the sex of the person being spoken of: she, her, hers, herself and he, him, his, himself. In certain limited situations, the sex-neutral usually plural they, them, theirs, themselves can used in a singular sense.
Truth be told, the vast majority of people really don't care much or at all if others call us him, her or they - especially when we are not there. Because most people learned in childhood that a good rule to live by is, Don't sweat the small stuff.
Moreover, in the course of adolescence, most people who aren't raging narcissists, control-freaks or very mentally unwell, also learned - and learned to accept - that none of us can control or dictate what other people think or say about us, or how they see us. We also learned that especially if other people have met us, or they have seen and heard us in photographs or particularly via video or film footage, we can't control whether or not they can perceive and tell our sex.
For the record: many women use, and long have used, initials or pseudonyms online and in certain professional contexts for the express purpose of obscuring our sex, as in the case of pen names used by authors like George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) and Robert Galbraith (Joanne Kathleen Rowling, aka JK Rowling) and by journalists like MFK Fisher (Mary Frances Kennedy Fisher). Because women know our work will be regarded more favorably, and we will be treated better, if others assume we are male. So even though we are accustomed to being referred to as she/her by people we have met face to face, or spoken to on the phone, in other contexts we don't take offense when we are called he/him. It doesn't bother us at all, in fact.
I personally have been called the wrong first name, the wrong last name, the wrong sex pronouns and addressed by the wrong honorifics and titles more times in my life than I can count. This has happened to my face, on the phone, in written correspondence, in credit reports and in legal documents. It's happened in published reports in newspapers and magazines, too, both in articles I've been mentioned in or have written. Big deal. Boo hoo.
If someone uses the wrong sex pronouns for me - as in "RunRagged, he's a jerk" or "hope someone slugs RunRagged in his fat mouth, I can't stand him"- the "misgendering" (so-called) is not going to ruin my day, dent my self-image, injure my pride or cause me to feel I've been deeply insulted and disrespected. And it's certainly not going to cause me to lodge a complaint alleging my civil rights have been violated and that I've been sexually harassed. I've experienced quite a bit of sexual harassment in my lifetime - this ain't it.
If the children in the case in the OP engaged in verbal taunting and name-calling, it would fall under anti-bullying rules in the code of conduct - and should be dealt with accordingly. But it's ridiculous to "make a federal case" out of this kind of middle-school behavior by lodging a formal complaint of civil rights violations under Title IX. Doing so makes a mockery of Title IX, which was passed to counter widespread sex discrimination in education - not to give some students the power to compel other students or teachers to utter certain words in order to demonstrate fealty to the tenets of the Church of Genderology.
“I wouldn’t be offended, therefore it’s silly to be offended” isn’t your best argument lol. Why are we apologizing for bullies?
No. The opposite of a kid who demands that he continue to refer to a boy as a girl, would be a boy who demands that everyone else refer to him as a girl. The first is one person bullying one another. The second is one person bullying the entire class. There are many examples that you wouldn't like. What if a student demanded everyone refer to him as king or God?
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