Actual running, more races in two days than most run in a year, and snoozing on this board.
Go figure.
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I see Maggard is unattached. Another dude preferring faster shoes rather than a paycheck (from Hoka)? Not a great time to make a living running pro.
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Heard of the shoes wrote:
Flat Stanley wrote:
Why has there been no coverage of this on let's run? I wouldn't have known it happened without this thread. 3 guys on the same college team all under 27:50. Very impressive. Do they have a shot at NCAA cross next time? They also have a few other sub 14 guys I think.
While still impressive pre super shoes this is 3 guys under 2820 which doesn’t have same ring to it
Stop with the shoe crap. They're here to stay and will likely get better.
Just like training and racing shoes have advanced since the 1960's, 70's they will continue toi advance and runners will get faster and faster.
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Why is Cam Levins still running 10K's?
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coach d. wrote:
11 Turner Wiley Club Northwest 28:40.15
Continue to be stoked for a 14:51/30:53 D2 guy to claw his way to a much higher level.
8:06i/13:54i/28:40/64:08/2:16.51 in the last 6 months!
And props to Cam for getting back on the track and for dipping sub-28. He hasn't raced on Mondo since April 2018!
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wazzu1452 wrote:
Why is Cam Levins still running 10K's?
Why would he not?
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It's the super shoe era. But crazy no mention of Stanford. 27:37 used to be a big deal.
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runn wrote:
Heard of the shoes wrote:
While still impressive pre super shoes this is 3 guys under 2820 which doesn’t have same ring to it
Stop with the shoe crap. They're here to stay and will likely get better.
Just like training and racing shoes have advanced since the 1960's, 70's they will continue toi advance and runners will get faster and faster.
Shoes have pretty much been the same since the 60s well, up until now. Might as well legalize epo.
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Ghost1 wrote:
Ffhh wrote:
Yeah, can’t wait for a rotating track or shoe with literal GD springs in it because “technology changes” right?
There are limits to technological innovation, and what you suggest would no longer be normal running. One has to draw the line somewhere. In swimming, the full bodysuits which greatly enhanced buoyancy were done away with. In running, the rules already prohibit certain stack heights in the supershoes.
There is no clear concensus on how much the superspikes help athletes in the 10,000. Would Hicks and co. still beat 28 minutes with "normal shoes?" most probably yes. Remember guys like Bickford, Bjorklund, Nenow and co were running sub 28 minutes in skinny non protective spikes 40 years ago.
So, 20 second advantage with shoes = good. 20 second advantage with rotating track = bad? Got it - thanks! It really says something when athletes will risk losing sponsorship to sport the latest and greatest. You don’t risk losing money over a 5 second advantage in a 10,000.
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spleenis wrote:
Great performance by Sprout.
he's really starting to germinate...
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adobe wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
. Remember guys like Bickford, Bjorklund, Nenow and co were running sub 28 minutes in skinny non protective spikes 40 years ago.
The guys you mentioned all ran sub-28 dragging huge sets of testicles around the track as well.
Why do you care about Mark Nenow's ballsack so much?
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Ghost1 wrote:
PA trails wrote:
I've encountered vanloads of them in the "mountain" trails west of Stanford, and on the flat Bay trail east of campus. Short drives. I imagine they also run on roads near campus, and perhaps some grassy areas are available too.
This sounds similar to what the distance guys at UC Berkeley do. Around Berkeley, everything is roads. Strawberry Canyon is up a steep trail for miles, hardly ideal for daily mileage. UC Davis probably has better options, more rural.
I'm always surprised that I don't see UCB runners on the nearby Tilden/Wildcat trails more often. Runners can hop onto those trails, which are some of the best I've ever run, after a 5 minute drive (uphill for about 2 miles) from the football stadium. I would've killed to have miles of well-groomed, hilly trails like that near me during college. Then again UCB doesn't seem to produce many strong distance runners.
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runn wrote:
Heard of the shoes wrote:
While still impressive pre super shoes this is 3 guys under 2820 which doesn’t have same ring to it
Stop with the shoe crap. They're here to stay and will likely get better.
Just like training and racing shoes have advanced since the 1960's, 70's they will continue toi advance and runners will get faster and faster.
Nice thought in theory but at this point I think it’s fair to assume the Nike shoes are light years ahead of their competitors. Some of these runners know they are burning daylight and need to run fast now and not wait for their sponsor(who probably doesn’t pay that well as is) to come up with something comparable.
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runn wrote:
Heard of the shoes wrote:
While still impressive pre super shoes this is 3 guys under 2820 which doesn’t have same ring to it
Stop with the shoe crap. They're here to stay and will likely get better.
Just like training and racing shoes have advanced since the 1960's, 70's they will continue toi advance and runners will get faster and faster.
Wrong, the shoes are an issue. They are not comparable like the shoes of the 70’s etc.
this is t just a lighter shoe.
these shoes are built with a carbon fiber plate that actually acts like a spring. Some Nike shoe guy watched Oscar Pistorius run on his blades and said, hey we can put that technology in shoes and now you have fake running times.
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I see them up there all the time, maybe you need to get out more often.
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Maybe you're not so local wrote:
I see them up there all the time, maybe you need to get out more often.
Lol. "Up" where? I live right down the street from a mid-park entrance and have run throughout Tilden and Wildcat regularly for the past 10+ years. Having said that, it's a big park and maybe it's certainly possible they're running at different times of day than I do, but I've never seen any group runs (esp. weekend long runs) aside from a very rare van at the Meadows Canyon trailhead. Maybe they stick to the south end by Vollmer and wear camouflage...
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Maybe you're not so local wrote:
I see them up there all the time, maybe you need to get out more often.
You probably see St. Mary's High School and Strawberry Canyon Track Club working out up there a lot. Cal not so much.
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Sprout and Robinson are true sophomores which is crazy. Hicks is technically a junior but covid took away his freshman outdoor year. His progression has been crazy as well. All three will end up being Stanford greats but I think Robinson with his steeple/5k/10k range could threaten a world team this year and in the future.
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Best Stanford group since The Machine days.
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Ffhh wrote:
runn wrote:
Stop with the shoe crap. They're here to stay and will likely get better.
Just like training and racing shoes have advanced since the 1960's, 70's they will continue toi advance and runners will get faster and faster.
Shoes have pretty much been the same since the 60s well, up until now. Might as well legalize epo.
Good Lord, are you kidding? I started running in 1972. Believe me without shoe innovations I would not be running now.
When I started shoes were nylon or leather glued to a rubber sole. We used to glue them back together when they would separate. We'd put shoe goo on the heal as it wore out.
There was no support and very little cushioning. I was always inured- knees, shins, sciatic nerve pain.
As shoes progressed and got more supportive I was able to run pain free.
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