It's also very impressive she can 2:05 without speedwork. How many high schoolers could run 4:35 and 2:05? Cain, Efraimson? And neither could run those times as frosh. I believe Decker was 2:02/4:40 at the same age. No one else has been close.
Not many could do it at the age, but there have been several girls with ball park performances. I remember a few years back Kate Murphy, Christina Aragon, and Katie Rainsberger we’re the big names running those times. Unfortunately none have really progressed since, but they were definitely firing on all cylinders during those peak years.
Murphy has has a crippling condition (artery entrapment syndrome), Aragon is running worse than HS but still decent (4:15 1500 opener), and Rainsberger ran 9:30 in the steeple and finished 3rd at NCAA which is pretty impressive.
she goes to venture highscool just 20 min drive from newbury park. can you imagine what she would be able up do if she moved school? 3.5 more years in HS
Sadie already ran 4:34 last week, so this is her #2 time.
that was the 1600 split not the full mile time (4:36.63). whats scary is that in an interview before Arcadia she said that she hadnt even started doing any speed work to build up her kick yet (this was after Frias outkicked her at Azusa Pacific). if she can run this fast without a speed base to finish on just how fast will she be able to run by June after shes worked on her finishing seed? she only needs a few more seconds...
Please dear baby hayzeus tell me this bit about "not even started speed work yet" is a joke.
she goes to venture highscool just 20 min drive from newbury park. can you imagine what she would be able up do if she moved school? 3.5 more years in HS
That's unfair to the Ventura coach who may be quite good. I'm not slighting Brosnan, just saying that many coaches who have a serious interest in running and have the knowledge can do a good job. The area from the western fringes of L.A. County through Ventura County have historically produced good distance runners so chances are there are some good coaches in the area. So, for example, Ethan Godsey of Agoura ran 8:54.23 in the seeded 3200. Oddly enough Newbury Park was not considered one of the better distance programs in the area until Brosnan came on board.
she goes to venture highscool just 20 min drive from newbury park. can you imagine what she would be able up do if she moved school? 3.5 more years in HS
That's unfair to the Ventura coach who may be quite good. I'm not slighting Brosnan, just saying that many coaches who have a serious interest in running and have the knowledge can do a good job. The area from the western fringes of L.A. County through Ventura County have historically produced good distance runners so chances are there are some good coaches in the area. So, for example, Ethan Godsey of Agoura ran 8:54.23 in the seeded 3200. Oddly enough Newbury Park was not considered one of the better distance programs in the area until Brosnan came on board.
dont think anyone meant to say the ventura HS school is not good (anyone know his/her nmae btw?), but we know brosnan is good and we know the group of kids she would be able to train with would be beneficial. just crazy to think that just 20 min from what is by far the best distance program in the history of HS running, there is a freshman girl breaking age group world records. she must have thoughts what it would mean to her to move school.
that was the 1600 split not the full mile time (4:36.63). whats scary is that in an interview before Arcadia she said that she hadnt even started doing any speed work to build up her kick yet (this was after Frias outkicked her at Azusa Pacific). if she can run this fast without a speed base to finish on just how fast will she be able to run by June after shes worked on her finishing seed? she only needs a few more seconds...
Please dear baby hayzeus tell me this bit about "not even started speed work yet" is a joke.
The Arcadia mile was her 14th race in 23 days.
where in the world do you get 14 races in the past 23 days? more like 14 since the beginning of the year. are you counting the separately posted 16 splits? and anyway Im just repeating what I heard her say. I think her exact words were that the closest shes come to speed work this season is "400's at mile pace". she even said after the race that running the recent 800 maybe helped her finish fast in this race. the implication being nothing else she is doing would explain it. 🤷♂️
Sadie Engelhardt, a freshman at Ventura High in California, became the first ninth-grader in meet history to win the girls invitational mile at the 54th Arcadia Invitational at Arcadia High. Engelhardt ran an age 15 world rec...
Please dear baby hayzeus tell me this bit about "not even started speed work yet" is a joke.
The Arcadia mile was her 14th race in 23 days.
where in the world do you get 14 races in the past 23 days? more like 14 since the beginning of the year. are you counting the separately posted 16 splits? and anyway Im just repeating what I heard her say. I think her exact words were that the closest shes come to speed work this season is "400's at mile pace". she even said after the race that running the recent 800 maybe helped her finish fast in this race. the implication being nothing else she is doing would explain it. 🤷♂️
I simply counted the amount of races she has done between March 17 and last night. And I don't doubt she believes she hasn't done any speed work, but her coach or parents or whoever is feeding her that is way off the mark because racing IS speed work.
I simply counted the amount of races she has done between March 17 and last night. And I don't doubt she believes she hasn't done any speed work, but her coach or parents or whoever is feeding her that is way off the mark because racing IS speed work.
oh ok I wasnt looking at the relays. 1 of the miles is a duplication but if you go back to mid February shes run 10 races under a mile. 5 quarters and 4 halfs and a 2. fair point if shes doing that much "sprinter" work. I wonder how that compares to other milers. seems unusually high. 5 pure sprints in 3 weeks not even counting the halfs.
Sadie has run 58 / 2:05 / 4:35 this spring. Given that big meets are not til May/June, it's looking good to break 4:33. In fact 4:29 may even be possible.
I simply counted the amount of races she has done between March 17 and last night. And I don't doubt she believes she hasn't done any speed work, but her coach or parents or whoever is feeding her that is way off the mark because racing IS speed work.
oh ok I wasnt looking at the relays. 1 of the miles is a duplication but if you go back to mid February shes run 10 races under a mile. 5 quarters and 4 halfs and a 2. fair point if shes doing that much "sprinter" work. I wonder how that compares to other milers. seems unusually high. 5 pure sprints in 3 weeks not even counting the halfs.
yeah good catch on that duplicate count for those 1600/mile results from moc.
i personally like the fact she's doing some 200s and 400s. raw speed is severely underrated for distance runners.
Sadie has run 58 / 2:05 / 4:35 this spring. Given that big meets are not til May/June, it's looking good to break 4:33. In fact 4:29 may even be possible.
27 for 200 or 58 for 400 are marginally "speed work" for a 2:05/4:35 runner. Those are workout reps, unless she his heavily slow-twitch. She seems very much like Tuohy and Hasay, fundamentally distance runners rather than 800/1500 type MD runners. Neither of them had great kicks in high school either, didn't need such. They didn't have to run against good kickers like Frias.
58 and 27 would be the type of PRs you would need to run a 2:05 800 m but that you be running all out not doing repetitions at the pace. I don't believe Touhy broke 28 and 60 in hs and she was not close to 2:05 for 800 m-maybe now but not then.
You have a heart attack if another name is mentioned in a Tuohy thread but you are always guilty.of it.
well basically katelyn tuohy is connected to this post as it is her mile record that saddie is trying to break, so im here
meanwhile on the natalie cook threads, and cook vs tuohy thread, its so evident how they are using tuohy's name for clicks, because first... cook broke jenna hutchin's record and not tuohy's, second jenna is her age-group competitor, third its so silly to compare an all-out paced, pushed 5k to a tactical ncaa 5k final race
also, at least tuohy fans are behaved and don't tell you to shut up in your own thread
she goes to venture highscool just 20 min drive from newbury park. can you imagine what she would be able up do if she moved school? 3.5 more years in HS
That's unfair to the Ventura coach who may be quite good. I'm not slighting Brosnan, just saying that many coaches who have a serious interest in running and have the knowledge can do a good job. The area from the western fringes of L.A. County through Ventura County have historically produced good distance runners so chances are there are some good coaches in the area. So, for example, Ethan Godsey of Agoura ran 8:54.23 in the seeded 3200. Oddly enough Newbury Park was not considered one of the better distance programs in the area until Brosnan came on board.
Interesting. If you take that part of the West LA metro - say west of Topanga, in the last 11 years Nico Young and C Sahlman of NP won NXN/RL, Sarah Baxter of Simi Valley won NXN 2X and Claudia Lana of Malibu won FL 2X. So 6 national championships in 11 years and a good chance a boy or girl from the area will win again next year.
Sadie already ran 4:34 last week, so this is her #2 time.
That 4:34.79 on 3/26 was a 1600 in route to a 4:36.63 mile.
U.S. High Schoolers run 1600m long miles. Ergo, the problem with simple maths and stats. The distance should have been changed to the 1500m long ago. And the 3200m to the 3000m. You know, the distances the rest of the world runs.
