The Atlantic 10 is absolute garbage. The America East is probably #12 (maybe even #11 ahead of American, which is really just Tulsa). Two sub-4:00, three sub-8:00, and three of the best women in the country (Mackay, Giesing, Richards). Without Stony Brook next year, it will be weaker (more in line with Patriot League, Atlantic 10, etc) but in this year specifically, it was absolutely one of the stronger mid-major conferences.
CoastToCoast wrote:
Did actual research on the quality of each conference at the Division 1 level based on 2021 Cross Country results I took the top 5 scorers from each conference.
We are scoring conferences. I don't care about top 5. I want to see more than that. Let's score top 11 like it's football or 9 as if it's baseball.
Or create a table with the the # of teams that qualified for NCAAs and then rank it by scoring the top 3 teams or something. I've got homepage duties and can't do it tonight.
ASUN (former known as the Atlantic Sun) has been a sleeper for a couple years now. In the South Region Lipscomb and North Florida went 4-5 respectively.
On the track, Lip, UNF, and LIberty have all qualified distance runners to Outdoor Nationals over the last 3-4 years.
2019 - Noah Perkins (UNF) Men's 5k
2021 - Shane Streich (Lip) 6th in the 800, Jonathan Schwind also qualified for the 800
In the 3k steeple, Felix Kandie (Liberty) 9th in 8:34, and new to the conference Ahmed Jazir (EKU) was 10th.
Forgot one, in 2019 Liberty's Azaria Kirwa made both the 5k /10k. He placed 8th in the 10k.
SEC is clearly #1. No schools in any other conference have won an SEC Championship.
You have the top 10 right, but from there, the ASUN has got to come next.
Lipscomb and North Florida were both nearly crept their way into nationals and are becoming distance ‘powerhouses’. In addition, Eastern Kentucky and Liberty are right on their heels. I think there is also a lot of potential elsewhere in the conference as well.
CoastToCoast wrote:
Did actual research on the quality of each conference at the Division 1 level based on 2021 Cross Country results I took the top 5 scorers from each conference.
*If the conference is not listed, they did not have enough scorers in the top 125 finishers*
An "*" besides the points means they had more than 10 finishers in the top 125
1. ACC- 83 Points*
2. BIG SKY- 84 Points*
3. PAC 12- 98 Points*
4. BIG 12- 101 Points*
5. SEC- 133 Points*
6. WCC- 151 Points
7. BIG 10- 242 Points
8. AAC- 271 Points
9. BIG EAST 294 Points
Looks pretty accurate to me. Shows how ridiculously strong mid-major conferences like the Big Sky and WCC really are.
Took all finishers from the 2021 NCAA meet and scored by conference using top 5, 7 and 10 in each gender. Listed below are results along with the school/place so it is easier to tell if one school is propping up a conference. I am working on a similar list using descending order lists for 1500 and up track events that i hope to have up next week.
TOP 5 MEN:
1.
ACC: 83 (FSU 6, ND 10, WF 19, FSU 20, UNC 28)
2.
Big Sky: 84 (NAU 7, NAU 11, NAU 13, Weber St 16,
NAU 37)
3.
Pac 12: 98 (Stanford 4, Stanford 14, Oregon 18, CU
24, Wash 38)
4.
Big 12: 101 (ISU 2, ISU 21, OK St 22, OK St 27,
OK St 29)
5.
SEC: 133 (Ark 12, Ark 15, Ark 17, Ole Miss 43,
Ole Miss 46)
6.
WCC: 151 (BYU 1, BYU 8, Gonzaga 36, Portland 52,
BYU 54)
7.
Big 10: 242 (MSU 5, Wisco 30, Wisco 66, Minn 69,
Minn 72)
8.
Ivy League: 262 (Harvard 23, Harvard 35, Harvard
40, Princeton 67, Princeton 97)
9.
AAC: 271 (Tulsa 34, Tulsa 42, Tulsa 51, Tulsa
58, Tulsa 86)
10.
Big East: 294 (Nova 9, Butler 60, Prov 61, Nova
73, Gtown 91)
11.
MWC: 411 (AF 26, UNM 33, AF 95, Boise 128, AF
129)
12.
Southern: 812 (Furman 96, Furman 111, Furman
177, Furman 192, Furman 236)
TOP 7 MEN:
1.
ACC: 163 (FSU 6, ND 10, WF 19, FSU 20, UNC 28,
ND 31, ND 49)
2.
Big 12: 174 (ISU 2, ISU 21, OK St 22, OK St 27,
OK St 29, Texas 32, ISU 41)
3.
Big Sky: 182 (NAU 7, NAU 11, NAU 13, Weber St
16, NAU 37, NAU 39, Montana St 59)
4.
Pac 12: 205 (Stanford 4, Stanford 14, Oregon 18,
CU 24, Wash 38, CU 45, CU 62)
5.
SEC: 234 (Ark 12, Ark 15, Ark 17, Ole Miss 43,
Ole Miss 46, Bama 48, Bama 43)
6.
WCC: 308 (BYU 1, BYU 8, Gonzaga 36, Portland 52,
BYU 54, Portland 64, Portland 93)
7.
Big 10: 402 (MSU 5, Wisco 30, Wisco 66, Minn 69,
Minn 72, Mich 76, Wisco 84)
8.
Big East: 501 (Nova 9, Butler 60, Prov 61, Nova
73, Gtown 91, Butler 100, Gtown 107)
9.
Ivy League: 532 (Harvard 23, Harvard 35, Harvard
40, Princeton 67, Princeton 97, Penn 119, Princeton 151)
10.
AAC: 555 (Tulsa 34, Tulsa 42, Tulsa 51, Tulsa
58, Tulsa 86, Cincy 136, Tulsa 148)
11.
MWC: 698 (AF 26, UNM 33, AF 95, Boise 128, AF
129, AF 143, AF 144)
TOP 10 MEN:
1.
Big 12: 322 (ISU 2, ISU 21, OK St 22, OK St 27,
OK St 29, Texas 32, ISU 41, ISU 44, ISU 47, OK St 57)
2.
ACC: 342 (FSU 6, ND 10, WF 19, FSU 20, UNC 28,
ND 31, ND 49, NC State 50, Cuse 55, WF 74)
3.
Pac 12: 430 (Stanford 4, Stanford 14, Oregon 18,
CU 24, Wash 38, CU 45, CU 62, CU 70, Wash 75, Stanford 80)
4.
Big Sky: 462 (NAU 7, NAU 11, NAU 13, Weber St
16, NAU 37, NAU 39, Montana St 59, SUU 71, SUU 103, SUU 106)
5.
SEC: 523 (Ark 12, Ark 15, Ark 17, Ole Miss 43,
Ole Miss 46, Bama 48, Bama 43, Ark 56, Ole Miss 113, Ole Miss 120)
6.
WCC: 661 (BYU 1, BYU 8, Gonzaga 36, Portland 52,
BYU 54, Portland 64, Portland 93, BYU 102, BYU 118, Gonzaga 133)
7.
Big 10: 731 (MSU 5, Wisco 30, Wisco 66, Minn 69,
Minn 72, Mich 76, Wisco 84, Minn 92, Wisco 115, Mich 122)
8.
Big East: 967 (Nova 9, Butler 60, Prov 61, Nova
73, Gtown 91, Butler 100, Gtown 107, Gtown 135, Gtown 164, Nova 167)
9.
Ivy League: 1032 (Harvard 23, Harvard 35,
Harvard 40, Princeton 67, Princeton 97, Penn 119, Princeton 151, Harvard 156,
Princeton 171, Cornell 173)
10.
MWC: 1198 (AF 26, UNM 33, AF 95, Boise 128, AF
129, AF 143, AF 144, Boise 150, AF 170, AF 180)
TOP 5 WOMEN:
1.
ACC: 63 (NC State 6, ND 9, ND 11, NC State 15,
NC State 22)
2.
SEC: 81 (Bama 2, Auburn 16, UK 17, Ark 19, Florida
27)
3.
Big 12: 123 (WVU 3, ISU 4, OK St 5, ISU 50, OK
St 61)
4.
Pac 12: 126 (CU 8, Stanford 13, Wash 25, CU 31,
Stanford 49)
5.
Big 10: 131 (Minn 7, MSU 14, Minn 23, Minn 39,
MSU 48)
6.
WCC: 131 (BYU 1, BYU 12, USF 34, BYU 38, BYU 46)
7.
MWC: 163 (UNM 18, UNM 21, UNM 36, UNM 41, UNM
47)
8.
Big Sky: 226 (SUU 20, Weber St 35, NAU 42, Weber
St. 59, Portland St. 70)
9.
Big East: 316 (Gtown 30, Gtown 44, Prov 60, Prov
89, Nova 93)
10.
Ivy League: 449 (Yale 10, Princeton 84, Harvard
110, Harvard 121, Columbia 124)
11.
C-USA: 960 (Rice 45, Rice 217, Rice 226, Rice
230, Rice 242)
TOP 7 WOMEN:
1.
ACC: 113 (NC State 6, ND 9, ND 11, NC State 15,
NC State 22, NC State 24, FSU 26)
2.
SEC: 143 (Bama 2, Auburn 16, UK 17, Ark 19, Florida
27, Bama 29, Ole Miss 33)
3.
Pac 12: 231 (CU 8, Stanford 13, Wash 25, CU 31,
Stanford 49, Utah 51, CU 54)
4.
Big 10: 265 (Minn 7, MSU 14, Minn 23, Minn 39,
MSU 48, OSU 66, Wisco 68)
5.
WCC: 274 (BYU 1, BYU 12, USF 34, BYU 38, BYU 46,
BYU 53, Gonzaga 90)
6.
Big 12: 297 (WVU 3, ISU 4, OK St 5, ISU 50, OK
St 61, OK St 73, KU 101)
7.
MWC: 300 (UNM 18, UNM 21, UNM 36, UNM 41, UNM 47,
UNM 56, Utah St 81)
8.
Big Sky: 437 (SUU 20, Weber St 35, NAU 42, Weber
St. 59, Portland St. 70, NAU 75, NAU 136)
9.
Big East: 512 (Gtown 30, Gtown 44, Prov 60, Prov
89, Nova 93, Nova 97, Nova 99)
10.
Ivy League: 722 (Yale 10, Princeton 84, Harvard
110, Harvard 121, Columbia 124, Harvard 126, Harvard 147)
11.
C-USA: 1451 (Rice 45, Rice 217, Rice 226, Rice
230, Rice 242, Rice 245, Rice 246)
TOP 10 WOMEN:
1.
ACC: 272 (NC State 6, ND 9, ND 11, NC State 15,
NC State 22, NC State 24, FSU 26, NC State 32, ND 62, UNC 65)
2.
SEC: 278 (Bama 2, Auburn 16, UK 17, Ark 19, Florida
27, Bama 29, Ole Miss 33, Ark 37, Ark 43, Bama 55)
3.
Pac 12: 409 (CU 8, Stanford 13, Wash 25, CU 31,
Stanford 49, Utah 51, CU 54, Stanford 57, CU 58, Stanford 63)
4.
Big 10: 495 (Minn 7, MSU 14, Minn 23, Minn 39,
MSU 48, OSU 66, Wisco 68, Mich 69, Mich 79, NW 82)
5.
MWC: 599 (UNM 18, UNM 21, UNM 36, UNM 41, UNM 47,
UNM 56, Utah St 81, CSU 88, CSU 94, Nevada 117)
6.
Big 12: 612 (WVU 3, ISU 4, OK St 5, ISU 50, OK
St 61, OK St 73, KU 101, ISU 104, WVU 105, WVU 106)
7.
Big East: 883 (Gtown 30, Gtown 44, Prov 60, Prov
89, Nova 93, Nova 97, Nova 99, Butler 119, Butler 120, Gtown 132)
8.
Big Sky: 1038 (SUU 20, Weber St 35, NAU 42,
Weber St. 59, Portland St. 70, NAU 75, NAU 136, NAU 196, NAU 200, NAU 205)
9.
Ivy League: 1322 (Yale 10, Princeton 84, Harvard
110, Harvard 121, Columbia 124, Harvard 126, Harvard 147, Harvard 173, Harvard
194, Harvard 233)
Thank you for backing up my previous research and statements, with scoring the top 5, 7, and 10, the conference alignment doesn't change much especially within the top 6.