Yes that's right, the extra red blood cells in his feet bones made them too heavy for him to run fast. People forget that red blood cells are made of iron which is a fairly heavy metal. Imagine having iron in your running shoes as an example....
But we know doping doesn't work on distance runners. Rekrunner tells us that again and again.
On the contrary, I tell you again and again that "we don't know" and any such statements are faith-based.
When you look at the timing, Kiprop doesn't seem to be the best example to support these faith based assertions.
Assuming Kiprop's Nov. 2017 test result was a true positive, what we know is that Kiprop got a few seconds slower in 2016 and again a few more seconds slower in 2017. It would seem that, if anything, doping worked to make him slower.
So you think he just started doing in 2017 after being world class for a while? I suppose it could be true. But don't you think it is orders of magnitude more likely he had been doing for almost a decade before hand and just wasn't caught?
We have a half dozen people who have admitted to EPO use and the we know the start dates. The improvement gains are impressive.
When you say his results suggests doping, if anything, made him slower I see you can persuade yourself of any kind of absurdity. You may as well argue that doping is actually a form of handicapping.
That would explain why certain posters keep arguing forever that Houlihan's doping may not have been cheating.
Speaking of, The clean version called Kiprop a drug cheat! LOL. Soon the doper apologists will come here to point out, again and again and again, that CAS never called him a drug cheat.
On the contrary, I tell you again and again that "we don't know" and any such statements are faith-based.
When you look at the timing, Kiprop doesn't seem to be the best example to support these faith based assertions.
Assuming Kiprop's Nov. 2017 test result was a true positive, what we know is that Kiprop got a few seconds slower in 2016 and again a few more seconds slower in 2017. It would seem that, if anything, doping worked to make him slower.
So you think he just started doing in 2017 after being world class for a while? I suppose it could be true. But don't you think it is orders of magnitude more likely he had been doing for almost a decade before hand and just wasn't caught?
We have a half dozen people who have admitted to EPO use and the we know the start dates. The improvement gains are impressive.
No, I don't think so. I find that scenario much less likely.
On the contrary, I tell you again and again that "we don't know" and any such statements are faith-based.
When you look at the timing, Kiprop doesn't seem to be the best example to support these faith based assertions.
Assuming Kiprop's Nov. 2017 test result was a true positive, what we know is that Kiprop got a few seconds slower in 2016 and again a few more seconds slower in 2017. It would seem that, if anything, doping worked to make him slower.
When you say his results suggests doping, if anything, made him slower I see you can persuade yourself of any kind of absurdity. You may as well argue that doping is actually a form of handicapping.
I didn't provide the example of Kiprop, but the degrading performance trend from 2015 to 2017 is pretty significant for someone who was "suspicious" in Feb. 2016, and busted in Nov. 2017.
He looks like a counter-example, and not an example.
I see it is "opportunity cost" -- he lost sight of doing what he needed to do in training.
Assuming Kiprop's Nov. 2017 test result was a true positive, what we know is that Kiprop got a few seconds slower in 2016 and again a few more seconds slower in 2017. It would seem that, if anything, doping worked to make him slower.
Yes that's right, the extra red blood cells in his feet bones made them too heavy for him to run fast. People forget that red blood cells are made of iron which is a fairly heavy metal. Imagine having iron in your running shoes as an example....
When you say his results suggests doping, if anything, made him slower I see you can persuade yourself of any kind of absurdity. You may as well argue that doping is actually a form of handicapping.
That would explain why certain posters keep arguing forever that Houlihan's doping may not have been cheating.
Speaking of, The clean version called Kiprop a drug cheat! LOL. Soon the doper apologists will come here to point out, again and again and again, that CAS never called him a drug cheat.
Cheating: "acting dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage."
I think the question was more, has anyone yet argued all of the required elements?
He went from world champion as a drug cheat to a pretty good high school freshman kids time today. And he was a way distant dead last today.
Forget Asbel Kiprop. People are so high and mighty on letsrun. 2 flat for 800 isn't a "pretty good" high school freshman time it's a really good time. My 800 time was like 2:30 freshman year of high school. I question if people who say stuff like that even run...
But we know doping doesn't work on distance runners. Rekrunner tells us that again and again.
On the contrary, I tell you again and again that "we don't know" and any such statements are faith-based.
When you look at the timing, Kiprop doesn't seem to be the best example to support these faith based assertions.
Assuming Kiprop's Nov. 2017 test result was a true positive, what we know is that Kiprop got a few seconds slower in 2016 and again a few more seconds slower in 2017. It would seem that, if anything, doping worked to make him slower.
You're like a Flat Earther who claims that belief that the world is round is 'faith based'.
Kiprop got busted almost as soon as testing in Kenya went from abysmal to merely pathetic (although the testers still demanded 'tea money' from him).
On the contrary, I tell you again and again that "we don't know" and any such statements are faith-based.
When you look at the timing, Kiprop doesn't seem to be the best example to support these faith based assertions.
Assuming Kiprop's Nov. 2017 test result was a true positive, what we know is that Kiprop got a few seconds slower in 2016 and again a few more seconds slower in 2017. It would seem that, if anything, doping worked to make him slower.
You're like a Flat Earther who claims that belief that the world is round is 'faith based'.
Kiprop got busted almost as soon as testing in Kenya went from abysmal to merely pathetic (although the testers still demanded 'tea money' from him).
Kenya now has the strictest testing regime in the world, Coevett. Not the US, not the UK, not Ethiopia, but Kenya. Kiprop got busted when he was already ebbing out and could no longer legitimately make a Kenyan team.
That would explain why certain posters keep arguing forever that Houlihan's doping may not have been cheating.
Speaking of, The clean version called Kiprop a drug cheat! LOL. Soon the doper apologists will come here to point out, again and again and again, that CAS never called him a drug cheat.
Cheating: "acting dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage."
I think the question was more, has anyone yet argued all of the required elements?
Doping: "acting dishonestly or unfairly to gain an advantage."
When you say his results suggests doping, if anything, made him slower I see you can persuade yourself of any kind of absurdity. You may as well argue that doping is actually a form of handicapping.
I didn't provide the example of Kiprop, but the degrading performance trend from 2015 to 2017 is pretty significant for someone who was "suspicious" in Feb. 2016, and busted in Nov. 2017.
He looks like a counter-example, and not an example.
I see it is "opportunity cost" -- he lost sight of doing what he needed to do in training.
Kiprop "looks like a counter-example" of the benefits of doping? So you are saying doping hinders performance. You must tell WADA. Their efforts are unnecessary.
You're like a Flat Earther who claims that belief that the world is round is 'faith based'.
Kiprop got busted almost as soon as testing in Kenya went from abysmal to merely pathetic (although the testers still demanded 'tea money' from him).
Kenya now has the strictest testing regime in the world, Coevett. Not the US, not the UK, not Ethiopia, but Kenya. Kiprop got busted when he was already ebbing out and could no longer legitimately make a Kenyan team.
The "strictest testing regime in the world"? How so? Do they test more often than other countries? Do they test more often out of competition? If they test more is it because they have more dopers? That I can believe. Perhaps you might want to substantiate your claim.
On the contrary, I tell you again and again that "we don't know" and any such statements are faith-based.
When you look at the timing, Kiprop doesn't seem to be the best example to support these faith based assertions.
Assuming Kiprop's Nov. 2017 test result was a true positive, what we know is that Kiprop got a few seconds slower in 2016 and again a few more seconds slower in 2017. It would seem that, if anything, doping worked to make him slower.
You're like a Flat Earther who claims that belief that the world is round is 'faith based'.
Kiprop got busted almost as soon as testing in Kenya went from abysmal to merely pathetic (although the testers still demanded 'tea money' from him).
Do you mean round like a frisbee, pizza, and a wheel? Then I would agree that that is "faith based", very unlike the flat-earther. However, when I plan my daily runs in the forest, I assume distances are straight lines and not curved along an arc.
As I have long worked in the space industry, I am keenly aware of the absurd implications that adopting a flat-earth model creates.
It is easy for anyone to make controlled observations in order to estimate the radius of the earth, like Al-Biruni did 1000 years ago with a mountain top experiment that measures the dip-angle to the horizon. A flat-earth would measure 0. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader.
How your flat earth comparison differs with the relationship between EPO and elite distance running performance is that robust controlled observations are missing.
Your faith in testing is also misplaced. Kiprop was busted for EPO in his urine, like Jeptoo in 2014. OOC urine tests for EPO have been conducted by the IAAF as far back as 2002, including Kenya, and were not subject to short time constraints to get to a lab.
One of several curiosities in the case of Kiprop, is, if we want to assume that it is orders of magnitude more likely he has been doping for a decade, dating back to when he beat Willis in the 2008 Olympics, and was sophisticated enough to evade detection through 7 years of ABP and a decade of urine tests, how likely is it that after being warned twice (on 21 and 26 November) of an upcoming test, that he is unsophisticated enough to show up to the test on the 27th, glowing for a drug that users have long known can clear the system in 6 hours?
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