Rupp by a wide margin. Fisher got 6th in the 10k at the Olympics with a time of 27:46, closing with a mid 56 last 400. This was with superspikes on the fastest track surface ever created.
Rupp, however, closed the 2012 Olympic silver race 27:30 with a 53 mid. Last 200 was 26 low IN LANE 2 WHILE SLOWING DOWN THE LAST 15 METERS. This was on old mondo with old spikes, no carbon fiber.
Additionally, Fisher benefits from being able to recover from workouts easier because he runs in carbon fiber shoes. This allows him to do much harder workouts and much more frequently with a lower risk of injury than runners in previous generations. If Solinsky got to train in carbon fiber shoes, he might have never gotten injured.
Fisher is just scratching the surface of his talent, every race now is a new revelation. He’s leveling up under our noses The rest mentioned are done, and that includes Rupp. We’ve seen their best. Pick against Fisher if you must now. It’s impossible to prove what will happen in the future. Let’s resurface this thread periodically over the next few years. When Fisher is done, this conversation will have seemed silly in retrospect. I think we may even reach that conclusion by the end of 2022. It’s not super shoes, it’s not burritos, it’s because Fisher will prove to be the best we’ve ever seen in a USA singlet.
Rupp by a wide margin. Fisher got 6th in the 10k at the Olympics with a time of 27:46, closing with a mid 56 last 400. This was with superspikes on the fastest track surface ever created.
Rupp, however, closed the 2012 Olympic silver race 27:30 with a 53 mid. Last 200 was 26 low IN LANE 2 WHILE SLOWING DOWN THE LAST 15 METERS. This was on old mondo with old spikes, no carbon fiber.
Additionally, Fisher benefits from being able to recover from workouts easier because he runs in carbon fiber shoes. This allows him to do much harder workouts and much more frequently with a lower risk of injury than runners in previous generations. If Solinsky got to train in carbon fiber shoes, he might have never gotten injured.
You realize the Fisher of Tokyo is nothing like the Fisher of today and likely tomorrow. He’s leveled up since last summer.
Nobody’s disputing Mills’s greatness, but the era he ran in was so radically different, and I don’t think any conversion of shoes and track surfaces brings his 28:17 down well under 27.
As for Webb, out-kicking Ritz in a 27:34 California 10k is superb for a miler, but are you really ready to claim he’d out-kick a recent Olympic 10k silver medalist, or hang with a guy who just ran 61” faster? If so, you have to believe he was contesting the wrong event (he wasn’t).
What I am saying is that I would take the field and you can have Grant and Galen. Of course I do not think Mills nor Webb would be likely to win BUT…Galen would not likely lead and if Pre and Alberto could be talked out of leading then who leads and how fast? This could easily turn into a 13:45/13:20 affair even in the super shoes and then the winner is anybody’s guess. Yes Galen and Grant are favorites to win BUT I would take the field. IF Alberto and Pre lead then it could still turn into a 5000m race and Galen may not win. Grant may not either.
EPO and fast shoes for everyone - this means Salazar runs 26:40 low leading until the final 200. Maybe Solinksy is there, Rupp, too.
Fisher, huh? What did Woody run in that TT 5K again?
Rupp by a wide margin. Fisher got 6th in the 10k at the Olympics with a time of 27:46, closing with a mid 56 last 400. This was with superspikes on the fastest track surface ever created.
Rupp, however, closed the 2012 Olympic silver race 27:30 with a 53 mid. Last 200 was 26 low IN LANE 2 WHILE SLOWING DOWN THE LAST 15 METERS. This was on old mondo with old spikes, no carbon fiber.
Additionally, Fisher benefits from being able to recover from workouts easier because he runs in carbon fiber shoes. This allows him to do much harder workouts and much more frequently with a lower risk of injury than runners in previous generations. If Solinsky got to train in carbon fiber shoes, he might have never gotten injured.
Fisher is just scratching the surface of his talent, every race now is a new revelation. He’s leveling up under our noses The rest mentioned are done, and that includes Rupp. We’ve seen their best. Pick against Fisher if you must now. It’s impossible to prove what will happen in the future. Let’s resurface this thread periodically over the next few years. When Fisher is done, this conversation will have seemed silly in retrospect. I think we may even reach that conclusion by the end of 2022. It’s not super shoes, it’s not burritos, it’s because Fisher will prove to be the best we’ve ever seen in a USA singlet.
Are you Grant’s dad or something? Dude drops a couple fast times and you’re running around in every thread making these ridiculous claims. He has a LONG way to go if he ever wants to be the greatest American of all time. Let’s just appreciate what he’s done and drop the insane expectations. Let the guy get a few medals first.
Going back to the main topic, it’s Rupp or Fisher. I have to give the nod to Rupp but I think Fisher would be close.
Fisher is just scratching the surface of his talent, every race now is a new revelation. He’s leveling up under our noses The rest mentioned are done, and that includes Rupp. We’ve seen their best. Pick against Fisher if you must now. It’s impossible to prove what will happen in the future. Let’s resurface this thread periodically over the next few years. When Fisher is done, this conversation will have seemed silly in retrospect. I think we may even reach that conclusion by the end of 2022. It’s not super shoes, it’s not burritos, it’s because Fisher will prove to be the best we’ve ever seen in a USA singlet.
Are you Grant’s dad or something? Dude drops a couple fast times and you’re running around in every thread making these ridiculous claims. He has a LONG way to go if he ever wants to be the greatest American of all time. Let’s just appreciate what he’s done and drop the insane expectations. Let the guy get a few medals first.
Going back to the main topic, it’s Rupp or Fisher. I have to give the nod to Rupp but I think Fisher would be close.
In their absolute prime, I'm going with Rupp, with Solinsky and Fisher a close second and third. Rupp, just because no US runner has accomplished what he has in the 10k. Fisher just broke his record, but Rupp got silver, and if he had a chance like Fisher did to run fast, he'd have broken 26:30 with super spikes.
Solinsky over Fisher because he said before he was injured in 2011 he was in 12:50/26:45 shape. That's at least close to Fisher if he had new spikes, and if the 12:50 was accurate, I take Solinsky in a race over Fisher unless it's an absolute time trial.
If Fisher medals in Eugene though, he moves to first on the list.
Let’s have the courage to embrace the future before it arrives. Fisher is so smooth and smart. 26:33 is just the start. He is going to undoubtedly be America’s greatest distance runner. We know what the others have done at their absolute best. Fisher is already as good or better and there is no reason to think he’s topped out. Fisher will be one of the all time greats, including the East Africans.
Except for Kennedy. He never ran a 10K in anywhere near his prime. But let's not forget he has the fastest 3K in the field, except Rupp's indoor AR. And he ran a bunch of fast 5K and 3Ks.
I'm not saying he beats Rupp or Fisher but I think he could compete for top 3 or 4.
Are you Grant’s dad or something? Dude drops a couple fast times and you’re running around in every thread making these ridiculous claims. He has a LONG way to go if he ever wants to be the greatest American of all time. Let’s just appreciate what he’s done and drop the insane expectations. Let the guy get a few medals first.
Going back to the main topic, it’s Rupp or Fisher. I have to give the nod to Rupp but I think Fisher would be close.
Oh no, my cover is blown!
In fairness, you were heaping the exact same exalted praise upon Hocker until he ran one mediocre indoor opener, at which point you went directly to “Huh? I guess I got ahead of myself.” Am I wrong?
Don’t get me wrong people, Fisher’s amazing. But we’ve seen this before from Wise Old Man—very quick to anoint new talents as the second coming.
In his career, Webb ran exactly 1 fast 800, 1 fast 2 mile, 1 fast 5k, and 1 fast 10k. Yes, he showed some impressive range with those times, but nothing that indicates he would be able to hang with Rupp or Fisher in a fast 10k.
In fairness, you were heaping the exact same exalted praise upon Hocker until he ran one mediocre indoor opener, at which point you went directly to “Huh? I guess I got ahead of myself.” Am I wrong?
Don’t get me wrong people, Fisher’s amazing. But we’ve seen this before from Wise Old Man—very quick to anoint new talents as the second coming.
It’s all coming from a good place. True enthusiasm and a true fan. For Fisher, it extends beyond the track. He’s a great person. I met him when he visited a Stanford running camp my daughter attended. I’m back on the Hocker bandwagon too and also Teare (he ran HS in my children’s conference). It’s a very exciting time in US distance running. I think Fisher is going to be the best of the bunch, but no, this is NOT based on some expert analysis. I’m just a fan and not an expert. I freely admit it.
They are all in their absolute primes wearing the super spikes. They are all training for the 10000m.
Has to be Rupp 2 Olympic medals. Anyone in the top 10 at Olympics can time trial a 2630 now. but being able to finish top 3 is where the truth is. If fisher medals at the Olympics then that changes the order
Nobody seems to think the gold medalist has a chance. Nor the man who nobody wants to see hanging on with a lap left. If you give me the field you can have Rupp and Fisher and I like my chances.
Nobody’s disputing Mills’s greatness, but the era he ran in was so radically different, and I don’t think any conversion of shoes and track surfaces brings his 28:17 down well under 27.
As for Webb, out-kicking Ritz in a 27:34 California 10k is superb for a miler, but are you really ready to claim he’d out-kick a recent Olympic 10k silver medalist, or hang with a guy who just ran 61” faster? If so, you have to believe he was contesting the wrong event (he wasn’t).
Mills's 28:24 in Tokyo was only nine seconds off Clarke's World Record at the time and he beat several all-time greats in the race. It was also at a time when there was still a first round in the 10,000. I believe it was a uneven race where Clarke surged a lot and broke everyone except Mills and Gammoudi. In other words, Mills was a legitimately great runner and should not be dismissed based on recency bias.
They are all in their absolute primes wearing the super spikes. They are all training for the 10000m.
You should also say that they all know and are doing modern training methods, so basically transporting them all to being born in about 1999. I'd pick Mills in that case.
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