Hey, it corresponds with the greatest legal technological advantage in running history. What'r the odds?
His improvement also correlates much stronger with him getting out of Stanford, which was probably a less-than-ideal training situation, and running on one of the best US teams of all-time. Also, lots of people seem to be comparing his times now from when he was in college, but that's not fair at all seeing how he never really went for fast PB's in college.
There’s something to be said for this and his 2002 season. In London, he beat Tergat and Gebrsellassie to set the WR (2:05:38). In Chicago, he won in 2:05:56, the 4th fastest time ever behind only two of his own and the 2:05:48 Tergat had run to lose to him in London.
There’s something to be said for this and his 2002 season. In London, he beat Tergat and Gebrsellassie to set the WR (2:05:38). In Chicago, he won in 2:05:56, the 4th fastest time ever behind only two of his own and the 2:05:48 Tergat had run to lose to him in London.
Right. So maybe the third best season of an American distance runner (not: man) after Khannouchi and Lagat, if the stars align.
Your title said best U.S. male ever this year. In your post you did not forecast a gold medal. Since many U.S. men since 1896 Olympics have earned Olympic gold medals and some U.S. men have earned World Championship gold, impossible for G. Fisher to be best ever unless he earns a W.C. gold this year.
This small detail keeps escaping people. Lagat won gold at 1500 and 5000 in the same championship. So better than that. Ok....
Your title said best U.S. male ever this year. In your post you did not forecast a gold medal. Since many U.S. men since 1896 Olympics have earned Olympic gold medals and some U.S. men have earned World Championship gold, impossible for G. Fisher to be best ever unless he earns a W.C. gold this year.
This small detail keeps escaping people. Lagat won gold at 1500 and 5000 in the same championship. So better than that. Ok....
Centrowitz won the 1500 indoor WC and won the Olympics in the same year.
Pretty hard to top that. I like Grant a lot. But we can’t blurry time trials vs racing.
Mo Farah was the greatest distance runner from 2011-2018 and I’m not sure if he ever ran the fastest time of the year, but he was essentially undefeated against whoever did them trial faster than him.
What you should realize is that Grant barely won both races. Grant is unlikely to medal as 26:33 ain’t what it used to be. Grant is NOT likely top 5 in the world at any event. #BLM but TTD(Track Times Don’t).
This^ bob kennedy did the unthinkable, he broke 13:00 for 5k, however they record was now under 12:50, he went on to finish 6 th in the Olympics
while i see your point, it is worth noting that Fisher has already beaten Kennedy's best Olympic placing.
You guys need to calm down. Before this one meet, we didn't know much. But now we've decided he is going to have the best season in history? You can't just will things into existence, especially if you're not the athlete in question. Let's just see.
Grant was 3 seconds away from an Olympic gold medal in the 10,000 last summer in brutally hot conditions against all the best runners in the world. He is better this year.
I don't think he races often enough to put up a bunch of big performances, it's reasonable to think he won't run anything else sub 13 or even another 10k until the US championships. And then medaling at the world championships, that will be very difficult. It's reasonable to think Jakob will run both the 1500 and 5k, I don't know if I'd say Grant will beat Jakob. And then you've got Cheptegei who will still be very tough in both 5k and 10k, Grant probably isn't beating him yet. And then Jacob Kiplimo is a factor who will reasonably beat Grant in the 10k. And then you've got a few other guys in the 5k/10k who could reasonably beat Grant. I'm not saying Grant won't medal, but it's still probably more likely he won't medal than that he will. And in order for this to be considered the best season ever for american distance runner he would have to get a medal that is better than bronze, and probably both medals. I think the odds are against him to do that, but it would be pretty cool if it happened.
Fisher, Kincaid and any of the other top USA fellas do well in perfectly set-up races for a fast time. Even pacing, conditions etc. This includes the marathon project last year or so in AZ. Championship races ARE NOT time trials. Constant surging. team tactics with the Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda etc. make these races. How many of the AZ 208-209 crew did anything remotely close in WMM competition? Within 2-3 minutes, of their AZ effort? Same is applicable with track. BTC guys run 1250s and where are they in the WCs and Oly Games. Not on the podium.
Grant was 3 seconds away from an Olympic gold medal in the 10,000 last summer in brutally hot conditions against all the best runners in the world. He is better this year.
I think most would say the brutally hot conditions helped him. Nobody pushed the pace and the real racing didn't begin until 400 to go. A more realistic way to look at this is that the top 3 (who all return) all were able to run 26 the last 200 and Grant ran 29. That's a pretty big separation over a short distance.
Man, Carl Lewis and Jesse Owens won 4 Olympic gold medals each in a single games. I guess that just can't compare to running a couple of national records in front of a total of maybe 1,000 fans. Yes, Grant Fisher, on his way to becoming the greatest American male track and field athlete of all time
Owens?? C'mon, nobody takes 1930s T&F seriously except certain propagandists. If they did take older athletics more seriously then we would hear a lot more about Nurmi's 5 gold medals in one Olympics, but you never hear about that.
Carl Lewis?? You think a doper should be considered the greatest athlete in US history? To me, none of his achievements mean anything.
Frederick Carlton Lewis (born July 1, 1961) is an American former track and field athlete who won nine Olympic gold medals, one Olympic silver medal, and 10 World Championships medals, including eight gold. His career spanned...
Fisher, Kincaid and any of the other top USA fellas do well in perfectly set-up races for a fast time. Even pacing, conditions etc. This includes the marathon project last year or so in AZ. Championship races ARE NOT time trials. Constant surging. team tactics with the Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda etc. make these races. How many of the AZ 208-209 crew did anything remotely close in WMM competition? Within 2-3 minutes, of their AZ effort? Same is applicable with track. BTC guys run 1250s and where are they in the WCs and Oly Games. Not on the podium.
Yeah except for Ahmed who was on the podium twice. Do you people even follow running?
Grant is in better shape this year but we don’t know of Kiplimo, Cheptegei, etc are in better shape than last year yet. Aregawi definitely seems to be in better shape based on his 3k from a few weeks ago. Grant set the AR indoors then the 10k. I might be getting my years mixed-up but Galen did something similar in 2014. He only has one global medal on the track. If Grant medals at worlds this year it’ll be a huge step forward but not the next ever season by an American distance runner. I think he’s need gold for that. If we include the steeple in this discussion, Jager’s 2015 gets the edge for me. Running 8:00 with a fall was insane. Even his 2016 or 2017 where he got medals would be slightly better.
Hey, it corresponds with the greatest legal technological advantage in running history. What'r the odds?
His improvement also correlates much stronger with him getting out of Stanford, which was probably a less-than-ideal training situation, and running on one of the best US teams of all-time. Also, lots of people seem to be comparing his times now from when he was in college, but that's not fair at all seeing how he never really went for fast PB's in college.
WTF are you saying?
Uhhhh... yeah his improvement correlates with leaving Stanford, he's a PROFESSIONAL RUNNER and his club is based out of Oregon. Have you ever been to Stanford? The surrounding area is IDEAL for training with amazing weather. His Stanford career was key to his development and progression, and he would be the first to say that.
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