If you're going to add guys like Katir, Wale, kejelcha, then why did you forget Butchart, Grijalva, & Gressier? Kinda obvious they could beat fisher too.
You’re joking, right? If so where’s the humor?
Kejelcha - 7:26, 12:46, 26:49
Katir - 3:28, 7:27, 12:50
Wale - 7:24i, 12:53
...
Butchart - 7:35, 13:06, 27:36
Grijalva - 3:35, 7:37i, 13:10
Gressier - 3:35, 7:39i, 13:08
And of course Fisher beat all 3 of the latter group in the Olympic 5k final.
It’s an exceedingly difficult task at this point, but in trying to rank the world’s top 5k guys currently I think Fisher is probably in the 6-10 range.
Let’s say, imprecisely:
1. Joshua Cheptegei 2. Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3. Selemon Barega 4. Berihu Aregawi 5. Jacob Kiplimo 6. Mohammed Ahmed 7. Grant Fisher
...
Then you have a whole host of guys who would probably take issue with this assessment, and could reasonably beat Fisher on the right day without any big surprise:
Hagos Gebrhiwet Yomif Kejelcha Getnet Wale Lamecha Girma Nicholas Kimeli Paul Chelimo Mohamed Katir Justyn Knight Birhanu Balew
His last two races (BTC time trials) have been spectacular though. He could be even better than I’m giving him credit for, and he’s a definite medal contender.
Good post, though personally I would put Barega above Jakob.
It’s an exceedingly difficult task at this point, but in trying to rank the world’s top 5k guys currently I think Fisher is probably in the 6-10 range.
Let’s say, imprecisely:
1. Joshua Cheptegei 2. Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3. Selemon Barega 4. Berihu Aregawi 5. Jacob Kiplimo 6. Mohammed Ahmed 7. Grant Fisher
...
Then you have a whole host of guys who would probably take issue with this assessment, and could reasonably beat Fisher on the right day without any big surprise:
Hagos Gebrhiwet Yomif Kejelcha Getnet Wale Lamecha Girma Nicholas Kimeli Paul Chelimo Mohamed Katir Justyn Knight Birhanu Balew
His last two races (BTC time trials) have been spectacular though. He could be even better than I’m giving him credit for, and he’s a definite medal contender.
If you're going to add guys like Katir, Wale, kejelcha, then why did you forget Butchart, Grijalva, & Gressier? Kinda obvious they could beat fisher too.
If you are looking for more or less white guys then I would mention McSweyn, Scott and Mechaal rather than Butchart, Grijalva, & Gressier
It’s an exceedingly difficult task at this point, but in trying to rank the world’s top 5k guys currently I think Fisher is probably in the 6-10 range.
Let’s say, imprecisely:
1. Joshua Cheptegei 2. Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3. Selemon Barega 4. Berihu Aregawi 5. Jacob Kiplimo 6. Mohammed Ahmed 7. Grant Fisher
...
Then you have a whole host of guys who would probably take issue with this assessment, and could reasonably beat Fisher on the right day without any big surprise:
Hagos Gebrhiwet Yomif Kejelcha Getnet Wale Lamecha Girma Nicholas Kimeli Paul Chelimo Mohamed Katir Justyn Knight Birhanu Balew
His last two races (BTC time trials) have been spectacular though. He could be even better than I’m giving him credit for, and he’s a definite medal contender.
Gebrhiwet, Katir and Kejelcha are all.better than Fisher.
It’s an exceedingly difficult task at this point, but in trying to rank the world’s top 5k guys currently I think Fisher is probably in the 6-10 range.
Let’s say, imprecisely:
1. Joshua Cheptegei 2. Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3. Selemon Barega 4. Berihu Aregawi 5. Jacob Kiplimo 6. Mohammed Ahmed 7. Grant Fisher
...
Then you have a whole host of guys who would probably take issue with this assessment, and could reasonably beat Fisher on the right day without any big surprise:
Hagos Gebrhiwet Yomif Kejelcha Getnet Wale Lamecha Girma Nicholas Kimeli Paul Chelimo Mohamed Katir Justyn Knight Birhanu Balew
His last two races (BTC time trials) have been spectacular though. He could be even better than I’m giving him credit for, and he’s a definite medal contender.
Interesting you have Chelimo in the second group. He's America's most successful distance runner of the last decade and beat Fisher at both the US Champs and Olympics last year. He's a racer.
Personally, I think there's a top 2 of Cheptegei and Ingebrigtsen who can be reliably expected to win. After them, all the guys you list have about an equal chance of getting in the medals. Even Barega is beatable by other guys in that pack, as shown by his indoor season so far.
Grant is actually a good racer and a good kicker. very tenacious. however, even though Jacob is younger, he has much more racing experience at the elite level. that and jacob’s speed make him the easy favorite.
Everyone saying Yakob can run sub 12:40 or even under 12:45 is delusional. Why anyone would think a miler who self admittedly claimed to be maxed out on endurance last year would magically find another 9 seconds to shave off their 5k is beyond me.
I'd put both of them at around 12:46, give or take a second, but give the edge to Yakob. Previously I thought fisher couldnt go under 12:49 but his outdoor 10k definitely proves he can much better than his indoor 5k did.
It’s an exceedingly difficult task at this point, but in trying to rank the world’s top 5k guys currently I think Fisher is probably in the 6-10 range.
Let’s say, imprecisely:
1. Joshua Cheptegei 2. Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3. Selemon Barega 4. Berihu Aregawi 5. Jacob Kiplimo 6. Mohammed Ahmed 7. Grant Fisher
...
Then you have a whole host of guys who would probably take issue with this assessment, and could reasonably beat Fisher on the right day without any big surprise:
Hagos Gebrhiwet Yomif Kejelcha Getnet Wale Lamecha Girma Nicholas Kimeli Paul Chelimo Mohamed Katir Justyn Knight Birhanu Balew
His last two races (BTC time trials) have been spectacular though. He could be even better than I’m giving him credit for, and he’s a definite medal contender.
Yes, I was going to point this out too. That ranking is far too generous to Yakob. He's 4th at best until he does more and proves his pr isnt just a oneoff. Kiplimo, Barega, and Cheptegei are certified distance monsters.
If you're going to add guys like Katir, Wale, kejelcha, then why did you forget Butchart, Grijalva, & Gressier? Kinda obvious they could beat fisher too.
You’re joking, right? If so where’s the humor?
Kejelcha - 7:26, 12:46, 26:49
Katir - 3:28, 7:27, 12:50
Wale - 7:24i, 12:53
...
Butchart - 7:35, 13:06, 27:36
Grijalva - 3:35, 7:37i, 13:10
Gressier - 3:35, 7:39i, 13:08
And of course Fisher beat all 3 of the latter group in the Olympic 5k final.
I feel silly having responded.
Looks like i'm not the one with the jokes.
You said on the right day that list of people can beat Fisher? Well, the "meat & potatoes" race, the Olympic 5000 final, tells you everything you need to know. Butchart, Grijalva, & Gressier were all a second or two behind Fisher in the final. Where were Kejelcha & Wale? Exactly. Kejelcha wasn't good enough for the the 5000 and Wale was done. Finished way behind, gasp...Butchart, Grijalva, & Gressier by not even making the final.
Then you listed the PRs. Should have told you everything but you still questioned it. How in the world do you not think that guys like Grijalva & Gressier, with better 1500 times could not beat Fisher in the right race...in which a fast close is required??
It’s an exceedingly difficult task at this point, but in trying to rank the world’s top 5k guys currently I think Fisher is probably in the 6-10 range.
Let’s say, imprecisely:
1. Joshua Cheptegei 2. Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3. Selemon Barega 4. Berihu Aregawi 5. Jacob Kiplimo 6. Mohammed Ahmed 7. Grant Fisher
...
Then you have a whole host of guys who would probably take issue with this assessment, and could reasonably beat Fisher on the right day without any big surprise:
Hagos Gebrhiwet Yomif Kejelcha Getnet Wale Lamecha Girma Nicholas Kimeli Paul Chelimo Mohamed Katir Justyn Knight Birhanu Balew
His last two races (BTC time trials) have been spectacular though. He could be even better than I’m giving him credit for, and he’s a definite medal contender.
Right on...I'd say the biggest issue for Grant is in non time trial races, we really haven't seen the strongest finishes out of him. He can hang in pretty much any race (unlike Woody say), but can he kick with the likes of the top guys? Perhaps this year, the gap has narrowed and he will be up there kicking with them at 5-10,000. If Ethiopia does one-day trials, that should help in limiting Barega and Aregawi to one event. Whether Girma does 5,000 or Steeple will be interesting as it appears to me that he has surpassed Wale and would be someone I'd insert ahead of Fisher.
He was 5th in the Olympic 10k as a 27:11 guy wtf are you talking about?
Fisher ran 3:36 two years ago. Grijalva and Gressier have negligibly better 1500 PRs. And this season there's no doubt Fisher could run much much faster than that this year.
It’s an exceedingly difficult task at this point, but in trying to rank the world’s top 5k guys currently I think Fisher is probably in the 6-10 range.
Let’s say, imprecisely:
1. Joshua Cheptegei 2. Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3. Selemon Barega 4. Berihu Aregawi 5. Jacob Kiplimo 6. Mohammed Ahmed 7. Grant Fisher
...
Then you have a whole host of guys who would probably take issue with this assessment, and could reasonably beat Fisher on the right day without any big surprise:
Hagos Gebrhiwet Yomif Kejelcha Getnet Wale Lamecha Girma Nicholas Kimeli Paul Chelimo Mohamed Katir Justyn Knight Birhanu Balew
His last two races (BTC time trials) have been spectacular though. He could be even better than I’m giving him credit for, and he’s a definite medal contender.
Knight, Gebrhiwet, Katir, Kimeli, and Wale all have faster 5000 PRs than Grant (most of them within the last year. He lost to all those guys plus Balew and Chelimo in Tokyo. I don't think he's ever beaten any of those guys at 5000. If he bumps anyone out I'd argue it's Ahmed given he has beaten him twice head to head this year. After that Katir because Katir seems to have lost his bottle of Michael's Special Stuff. Then maybe Chelimo.
Bowerman TC perfect-condition track meets are almost not worth looking at as far as slotting them in for world ranking purposes. All the dudes on the list ran faster in real races. Not with rabbits and wavelight. BTC also hasn't really raced much in the last 2-3 years, and when they have Grant is about the only dude that put up a result befitting their TTs in the 10,000m at Tokyo. He is fantastic, and their club is incredible, but if you could get all the guys above in a race Grant would not be in my Top 10.
Yeah, as impressive as Fisher’s two times trials have been, I’m hesitant to say these guys are world-beaters now instead of just realizing the scale has shifted. Doesn’t anyone feel that the top guys maybe saw the news about the Fisher/Ahmed time trial and are thinking, “oh, I thought we were training for the important races?! Maybe we should get one of those wavelights things and some pacers and all try to run 26:09 on some perfect Hengelo track like Bekele did?”
Really weird take to say that in a sport where the top priority is to run fast no one is trying hard enough to run fast. If you had said indoors, i would agree. But outdoors? No. If you dont run 26:30 its not for lack of trying but rather very likely because you cant. Credit where credit is due, Fisher went out there and did the thing.
Really weird take to say that in a sport where the top priority is to run fast no one is trying hard enough to run fast. If you had said indoors, i would agree. But outdoors? No. If you dont run 26:30 its not for lack of trying but rather very likely because you cant. Credit where credit is due, Fisher went out there and did the thing.
Honestly I don't think that the top priority for a lot of these guys is to run fast. They want to win big races -- that's where the money is at, and that's where legacies are made (as are records, to some extent). Records are (very) secondary to medals for the majority of the true elites.