stupid science bltch wrote:
Sorry you can't relate to a real competitors grindset, nerd.
Said the guy who is expounding the virtues of ducking competition.
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Distance runners are dorks wrote:
Ken Pours wrote:
I had a coach in school once tell us practices should be harder than races. That didn't make sense to a bunch teenagers at the time, but in hindsight I totally agree. Running workouts like 4 x mile or 8 x 800 or hills would/should be harder than running a mile/800 double - at least in HS.
Typical American runner mindset... Type A in practice, Type B on race day.
The thing your coach didn't take into consideration is effort level of workouts vs races. You should be giving 70-90% in workouts, save that 100% effort for race day.
Clearly you don't understand basic exercise theory. The (overly simplistic) point of workouts in track is to have bouts of greater and greater time-under-tension compared to your event in order to force the body to adapt. While races might hurt more, they don't get you fitter compared to racing. If the opposite were true then there would be no need to run workouts at all and you could just run your event all-out and call it a day.
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Dafuq is "time-under-tension"?
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Pros: "I need to skip indoors and cross country to focus on making the Outdoors World team."
*Doesn't make the team.*
Pros: "I focus on medals at Worlds, not medals at Pan Ams"* Proceeds to get killed in finals, if they even made it. Goes home with zero medals."
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I mean it was important enough for Hocker to do with no intention of going to Worlds to get whatever bonuses are paid out to him but I largely agree. Top-end pros are focused on outdoors & could care less about a national championship. But I still think we got some strong fields & good competition.
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DouchebagsAnonymous wrote:
Priorities 101 wrote:
The reason that so many pros skipped World Indoor or USATF Indoors is because INDOOR TRACK IS NOT IMPORTANT even to Track Pros.
The suggestion of having shoe companies put bonuses in the athletes contracts might make it better attended but it will not make it more important.
LETSRUN is exclusively a running site so it will build up indoor because there is nothing else within running going on but IT IS NOT IMPORTANT.I love track and I watch indoor but I know it is not important.
LRC is primarily for distance runner's so it's easy to agree. Indoors is marginally important among distance runner's who also have road racing and xc as avenues to perform at.
LRC is not filled with Sprinters, Pole vaulters, Shot putters, and Hurdler's. Among these athletes, Indoor is the only avenue to perform besides the outdoor season.
In the US, these athletes are the best we have, world beaters and far superior to the distance athletes in World performances. That alone justifies indoors. Also, the actual travesty is that our NCAA athletes in the US are capable of World beating performance at indoors but the geniuses who set NCAA scheduling pretty much phuk those athletes.
Again, agreed that indoor worlds is a waste of time for US distance athletes.....but we suck at distance running anyways so your point is moot
LRC is primarily for distance runner's what?
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wazzu1452 wrote:
It's WORLDS. Can't wait for the 1500!!
Centro - NO
Teare - NO
Alexander - NO
Centro - NO
Thompson - NO
Hocker - NO
We are send our Steeple Chase guy to run the 1500 at Worlds.....
I would argue only Hocker is a contender in a championship race, and you also included centro twice.
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Richard trickly wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
It's WORLDS. Can't wait for the 1500!!
Centro - NO
Teare - NO
Alexander - NO
Centro - NO
Thompson - NO
Hocker - NO
We are send our Steeple Chase guy to run the 1500 at Worlds.....
I would argue only Hocker is a contender in a championship race, and you also included centro twice.
Technically correct, as Matt Centrowitz Sr. will not be competing at world indoors this year either.
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Centro is that GOOD. I needed to mention him twice.
I am just a fan of Track. It would be cool if we could send our best to Worlds.
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Of course it's important to many athletes who depend on winning races and as many as they can, no matter the type. If it pays, they play. It's not black and white my friend. However and to your point, it is less important than outdoors and NCAAs/USAs/Worlds/Diamond League/Olys.
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if you pop a positive in Serbia they'll lock you in a hotel for a couple weeks to quarantine only 2 months out from outdoor USAs
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Distance runners are dorks wrote:
Ken Pours wrote:
I had a coach in school once tell us practices should be harder than races. That didn't make sense to a bunch teenagers at the time, but in hindsight I totally agree. Running workouts like 4 x mile or 8 x 800 or hills would/should be harder than running a mile/800 double - at least in HS.
Typical American runner mindset... Type A in practice, Type B on race day.
The thing your coach didn't take into consideration is effort level of workouts vs races. You should be giving 70-90% in workouts, save that 100% effort for race day.
Um...
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But for Americans, it's "overtrain, then tell yourself you're just going to 'tempo' the race so you can reconcile yourself with a mediocre result."
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stupid science bltch wrote:
Agreed, as a former collegiate runner I always thought the indoor season was a waste of time. My team prided itself on winning conference titles so we would be taking indoor very seriously - racing almost every weekend, trying to qualify as many runners to conference as possible. I thought the frequent racing (which takes away from training imo) hindered our development for outdoor and was more of a distraction. It looks like a lot of pros share the same attitude.
If indoor track is hindering your development or causing distraction, that's a team/coaching issue. It's absolutely possible to compete indoors while focusing on - and training for - the greater goal.
I'm pretty sure Jakob Ingebrigtsen is running indoor champs this year. Possibly doubling even?
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Distance runners are dorks wrote:
But for Americans, it's "overtrain, then tell yourself you're just going to 'tempo' the race so you can reconcile yourself with a mediocre result."
Yes there’s a misunderstanding of what “training hard” is. 99% of “training hard” is 100 mile weeks, long tempos, and short hill reps. It’s not just hard quarters till you barf. Too much of America “hard” training is the quarters till you barf.
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Jakob is running two meets this indoor season, most D1 runners are running close to 10, some with multiple events.
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Hecker and Bowerman are telling us indoor isn't important? Are they going to tell us the ocean is full of water as well? Everyone knows indoor isn't important compared to outdoor. I loved racing indoor it's a lot of fun, but we pretty much trained through every single race. Our focus was on running well outdoors when it mattered.
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Priorities 101 wrote:
The reason that so many pros skipped World Indoor or USATF Indoors is because INDOOR TRACK IS NOT IMPORTANT even to Track Pros.
The suggestion of having shoe companies put bonuses in the athletes contracts might make it better attended but it will not make it more important.
LETSRUN is exclusively a running site so it will build up indoor because there is nothing else within running going on but IT IS NOT IMPORTANT.I love track and I watch indoor but I know it is not important.
Hocker says its unimportant, and Jakob says its important, and your conclusion is that it is not important? Lol.
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I feel like Matthew Boling will become the new Diane Dixon. He will be known as the great Indoor Track and Field athlete unable to translate that to making a dent in Outdoors.
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Indoor spec wrote:
Indoor is huge in college. Show up at the Big 10 meet or SEC or ACC and then get back to us.
Half of the American population doesn’t even understand there is an indoor track season. It’s huge for you sir.
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