Saddest and most disturbing fact is that he keeps doing it over years and years. At his age it doesn't make sense except if he ahs an ego problem. Always be leery of that a coach with an ego issue to the point he'll cheat... as he will cross that line with a kid (falsify times) as well, especially if it feeds or threatens his ego. I would not let him coach any of kids.
Father and Former Coach wrote:
Saddest and most disturbing fact is that he keeps doing it over years and years. At his age it doesn't make sense except if he ahs an ego problem. Always be leery of that a coach with an ego issue to the point he'll cheat... as he will cross that line with a kid (falsify times) as well, especially if it feeds or threatens his ego. I would not let him coach any of kids.
This one feels like another Frank Meza. I bet both of them had big egos to fill and that they're this great runner to complete their personas. Ironic they were (or maybe still) both high school coaches. But what I don't understand is high school kids are really good with computers. If this guy told his kids that he is going to run such and such marathon, his runners could easily look up his time and know those were fakes. Maybe he is still a great coach but he said he instills values in his kids to do well in all areas of life. That I cannot see here. This isn't just one off cheating. This is going back years and years.
Wise Old Man wrote:
Wow, Tony is a very revered coach in our small conference and was recently named coach of the year for the CA north coast section. This is will be shocking news in our little neck of the woods. SJND of Alameda is a Catholic college prep school, but it functions more like a small independent high school than a highly religious parish school.
The story is 4 months old so I don't think the shock waves are too immense.
zxcvzcxv wrote:
coachy wrote:
Read the article. Would you want him to coach your child?
Yes, absolutely. If he could help my child to become as good as Cooper Teare, and to set him up for as successful a college and pro career as Teare, sign him up! He could easily have had Teare under 4 in high school but instead left plenty in the tank and kept him healthy and developing.
The lessons for most that come from a coach should go beyond just their final time/place. If my kids' coach was cheating in races then they are setting the example that everyone should cheat to hit their goals.
coachy wrote:
zxcvzcxv wrote:
Yes, absolutely. If he could help my child to become as good as Cooper Teare, and to set him up for as successful a college and pro career as Teare, sign him up! He could easily have had Teare under 4 in high school but instead left plenty in the tank and kept him healthy and developing.
The lessons for most that come from a coach should go beyond just their final time/place. If my kids' coach was cheating in races then they are setting the example that everyone should cheat to hit their goals.
So, again, you feel the same way about a coach that lies about being a 9xAll-American, right?
I might be able to imagine doing this one time and being embarrassed or something and covering it up. However, to do it again and again suggests something disturbing at play and I do not think he should be in any kind of supervisory role over children. He seems sick and I hope he can get help.
Who is this 9X All-American pretender you talk about?
Code word wrote:
Leave the dude alone.
Why?
llort_vbo wrote:
I might be able to imagine doing this one time and being embarrassed or something and covering it up. However, to do it again and again suggests something disturbing at play and I do not think he should be in any kind of supervisory role over children. He seems sick and I hope he can get help.
Who is this 9X All-American pretender you talk about?
I think they're referring to the infamous, greatest coach in the world.
https://hawaiiathletics.com/news/2010/2/3/WOUTDOOR_0203101412https://sirwaltermiler.com/sean-brosnan/Father and Former Coach wrote:
Saddest and most disturbing fact is that he keeps doing it over years and years. At his age it doesn't make sense except if he ahs an ego problem. Always be leery of that a coach with an ego issue to the point he'll cheat... as he will cross that line with a kid (falsify times) as well, especially if it feeds or threatens his ego. I would not let him coach any of kids.
Is it just ego? I'm sure there is some sort of antisocial personality disorder in there, but other than doing it for ego, i wonder if some serial marathon cheats do it for the thrill of getting away with cheating. Or a need to feed into delusions of grandeur. Or a compulsive liar.
I mostly think of it as a person for whom we should have some sympathy, as they are deeply deeply flawed. For non professional runners, a person's marathon time is really only relevant and important to themselves, nobody else really cares. If your sense of accomplishment and self worth is based on lies, and deep down you know they are lies... I don't know, that's just a really dark and messed up place to be.
ASU for the W wrote:
Who is this 9X All-American pretender you talk about?
I think they're referring to the infamous, greatest coach in the world.
https://hawaiiathletics.com/news/2010/2/3/WOUTDOOR_0203101412https://sirwaltermiler.com/sean-brosnan/[/quote]
Sean Brosnan
Birthday: 03-12-1977
Age: 32
Hometown: Lafayette, Ca
School: Adams State College and Cal State San Marcos
Club: Sponsor: Mizuno
Coach: self
Hobbies: running, writing,
Personal Records:
400: 48.91,
800: 1:48.98,
1500: 3:43.33,
Mile: 400.80
Major competitions or accomplishments: 9x All- American in College, USATF Qualifier 1500.
I'm still trying to make sense of this:
Tony did not register at the start line. He did cross the 10k timing mat at 9:36:01. Since he did not cross the start mat, his chip time is calculated as the same as the gun time. This is important. Based on his bib #, he would not have started the race until around 9:45 AM.
His gun and chip time for 10k are 0:35:59.
When did he start the race? 9:45 a.m.? And crossed the 10K mat at 9:36 a.m.? What am I missing?
What are the logistics like in cheating on a point to point course? Seems like it would be complicated and involve accomplices
Baby is All Growed Up wrote:
ASU for the W wrote:
Who is this 9X All-American pretender you talk about?
I think they're referring to the infamous, greatest coach in the world.
https://hawaiiathletics.com/news/2010/2/3/WOUTDOOR_0203101412https://sirwaltermiler.com/sean-brosnan/
Sean Brosnan
Birthday: 03-12-1977
Age: 32
Hometown: Lafayette, Ca
School: Adams State College and Cal State San Marcos
Club: Sponsor: Mizuno
Coach: self
Hobbies: running, writing,
Personal Records:
400: 48.91,
800: 1:48.98,
1500: 3:43.33,
Mile: 400.80
Major competitions or accomplishments: 9x All- American in College, USATF Qualifier 1500.[/quote]
There may be multiple lies here. I scoured everywhere (IAAF, Milesplit, Athletic.net, TFFRS) and can't find a 1:48.98, 3:43.33 or a 4:00.80. I also only see one XC season at Adams St (not All American) and one at Cal State San Marcos and a season at Concordia in Irvine and found a record of him being on the track team at Brevard College for what looks like one year.
Sub-3 at 60 wrote:
I'm still trying to make sense of this:
Tony did not register at the start line. He did cross the 10k timing mat at 9:36:01. Since he did not cross the start mat, his chip time is calculated as the same as the gun time. This is important. Based on his bib #, he would not have started the race until around 9:45 AM.
His gun and chip time for 10k are 0:35:59.
When did he start the race? 9:45 a.m.? And crossed the 10K mat at 9:36 a.m.? What am I missing?
I think what he means is that according to his blue race number seed, he SHOULD have started with the 9:45 wave. Obviously, he did not do this. The marshals were pretty diligent about stopping people from getting to the start line if they lacked the right number color. I was in the 3,900s, about 150 spots from the 9:00 wave, and they stopped me and moved me to the side of the road. Once the 9:00 gun went off, I was allowed to approach the start line and could then start whenever I was ready. He either (1) somehow snuck into the fastest wave ran a 36:00 for the first 10K (highly unlikely) or (2) did not start in Hopkinton and jumped into the race somewhere down the road. Based on the fact that he does not have a start time or a 5K time, it makes me think he jumped in somewhere after 5K. It appears he left the course somewhere after Wellesley and reentered again between 35K and 40K.
There is a fellow coach in our high school division who constantly lies and misrepresents past accomplishments and current fitness. Like many have said, it's straightforward to confirm past results and it's obvious that this person in college ran 5, 30, 90 seconds slower than claimed depending on the distance. The explanation is there were obscure meets or even workouts where these performances occurred. Over 20 years have gone by so it's not particularly fresh evidence.
In the present there's always an extra shift at work, some sort of family emergency, or even disagreements with meet directors that causes this person to not even start races even though registered. Of course, solo workouts at incredible paces where no ones else is present help keep the false narrative alive.
The lies and misrepresentations carry over to the team. This coach is in charge of the social media accounts so of course it's full of false hype. School administration knows very little about cross country and track so it's easy to deceive. Again, all sorts of convenient excuses explain the lack of championships.
What makes things complicated is this coach can be honest, genuine and hard working in other areas of the sport. Also, there is a shortage of coaches in our state so it's not as if a replacement could be easily found. It's the lesser of two evils to actually have a program and host meets with a dishonest coach as opposed to not having a program or meets at all.
High school is an ideal setting for liars. Four year turnover and the naivety of teenagers and parents allow false narratives to reestablish and live on with every new generation. And since there is good to go along with the bad, the threshold which leads to firing is avoided as the years go by. Those in the sport long enough, like other coaches and officials, know better and adjust accordingly. This is how serial cheaters and liars stay in their coaching jobs.
coachy wrote:
zxcvzcxv wrote:
Yes, absolutely. If he could help my child to become as good as Cooper Teare, and to set him up for as successful a college and pro career as Teare, sign him up! He could easily have had Teare under 4 in high school but instead left plenty in the tank and kept him healthy and developing.
The lessons for most that come from a coach should go beyond just their final time/place. If my kids' coach was cheating in races then they are setting the example that everyone should cheat to hit their goals.
True.
Coaching high school is not about sessions and stop watches.
Kids get better in high school without a coach. Its called growing and maturing.
He's being unfairly punished because of his race.
Haha! Get it? My clever double nuance there?
His times based from world athletics org webbsite All-time Personal Top 10
Top 10 performances for Sean Brosnan
Event Date Competition Cnt. Cat Type Nr. Place Result Wind Score Record
1500 Metres 14 JUN 2008 Indianapolis American Milers Series, Indianapolis, IN
USAF F1 16. 3:44.33 1049
One Mile 26 JUL 2009 Brasschaat Flanders Cup, Brasschaat BELE F 6. 4:02.31 1046
1500 Metres 21 JUL 2009 Gent Flanders Cup, Gent
BEL
E F1 12. 3:44.91 1042
1500 Metres 22 MAY 2010 Los Angeles USATF High Performance, Los Angeles, CA
USA
F F 15. 3:45.03 1040
1500 Metres 17 JUN 2009 Indianapolis American Milers Club Series, Indianapolis, IN
USA
E F 5. 3:45.57 1033
1500 Metres 20 JUN 2009 Indianapolis American Milers Club Series, Indianapolis, IN
USA
F F 8. 3:45.71 1031
1500 Metres 11 JUN 2008 Indianapolis American Milers Series, Indianapolis, IN
USA
F F 5. 3:46.02 1027
1500 Metres 19 JUN 2010 Indianapolis American Miles Club Series, Indianapolis, IN
USA
E F1 7. 3:46.53 1021
1500 Metres 08 AUG 2010 Bruxelles Grand Prix, Bruxelles
BEL
E F 1. 3:46.68 1019
One Mile 21 JUL 2010 Dublin Graded Meeting, Dublin
IRL
E F 14. 4:04.83 1016
He lies
Psycho losers trying to get him to lose his job over this. Always the problem with these threads.
Well we know that he didn’t make up a 4:20 PR in hs, because that’s too slow, right?
Seriously though, I find that pretty disturbing too unless there’s some other explanation. Do we know that he wrote that bio?