Asbel Kiprop and Elijah Manangoi return to competition

Passant wrote:

Sifan Hassan and Mo Farah, Kipketer were a poor and lost African runners.

Then they transformed into supernatural performance machines when they moved to the clean world ?

What are you taking about? Farah was eight and Hassan fifteen when they moved to Europe. You make it sound like they were mediocre pros in Africa who transformed into world beaters upon arriving in Europe because of access to drugs. They were children when they emigrated.

Wise Old Man wrote:

Passant wrote:

Sifan Hassan and Mo Farah, Kipketer were a poor and lost African runners.

Then they transformed into supernatural performance machines when they moved to the clean world ?

What are you taking about? Farah was eight and Hassan fifteen when they moved to Europe. You make it sound like they were mediocre pros in Africa who transformed into world beaters upon arriving in Europe because of access to drugs. They were children when they emigrated.

And Kipketer and Abeba Aregawi (isn't this from the same country)?

Wise Old Man wrote:

Passant wrote:

Sifan Hassan and Mo Farah, Kipketer were a poor and lost African runners.

Then they transformed into supernatural performance machines when they moved to the clean world ?

What are you taking about? Farah was eight and Hassan fifteen when they moved to Europe. You make it sound like they were mediocre pros in Africa who transformed into world beaters upon arriving in Europe because of access to drugs. They were children when they emigrated.

Kipketer was 17 when he moved to Denmark. He already had running experience from Kenya but he matured in Denmark.

Here is a post from his Instagram back in 2020 when he was training with his brother and son. Since then he’s only posted a few times and I think his last post was back in May 2021.

For sure, it will be difficult for him to recapture his previous level. Two years out is a long time especially for someone of his level.

Someone mentioned that doping is not taken seriously in East Africa but I don’t quite agree with that because I had heard that many of Asbel’s former friends abandoned him and only a very tight and restricted group of people stayed with him.

Fortunately for Asbel, his police chief supported him and allowed him to maintain his position as an inspector in the police department. This will allow him to maintain his housing, salary and pension benefits.

Whether it’s morally right to allow an alleged former doper to return to competition is an open debate depending on your viewpoint, and I think whichever viewpoint you take, either way you’re going to get supporters and detractors in both camps. The whole point may be moot in any case, because personally I think it will be very difficult for him to make an impact on the world stage in the future, but that’s just my opinion.

KIPROP ALIEN CANNOT DEFEAT AGAIN TRUE AFRICAN LION. GO HOME TO CRY FOR MOMMY TO HELP

YOU POOR AMERICANS!!!

Horizon wrote:

His recent 5k says he has a LONG way to go.

What was his time?

nike shill wrote:

I still curse myself for not purchasing a pair of Manangoi's race worn gold medalist Victory Elite spikes when I could've. They were my size too, though I don't think I would've raced in them.

I would have purchased them. They are making great strides in being able to detect EPO and other PEDs simply from any DNA material of the athlete in question. Some time in the next 20 years it should be possible. Anybody who has 'worn spikes' from El G and a few others, I would be prepared to pay $x,xxx for.

Coevett wrote:

This is true, unfortunately, and it's obvious to anybody who understands the lack of integration in many London schools. Mo 's friends growing up were probably all fellow children of Somali immigrants, probably a few of his teachers were African born. The biggest 'European' influence on his success as a distance runner was probably his PE teacher telling him to abandon his dreams of playing for Arsenal and concentrate on being the next East African great. His transformation began when he moved in with a bunch of Kenyans in London.

People here keep saying Katir is '100% Spanish', you just need to take a look at who he follows on Instagram to see that he is still very much in the 'Spanish Moroccan' community., which is pretty much 100% Moroccan.

Can you just stop with the blatant racism, Coevett.

To the actual topic, Kiprop was on the downside and becoming irrelevant when he was banned. Kenya goes 5 deep at the 1500 potentially for sub-3:31 guys. I give him almost no shot. If he wasn't doping his whole career (I have no idea outside of his somewhat dodgy reputation within Kenya and Rosa representation), EPO as his fortunes were fading would definitely make sense.

Manangoi could still very much be a factor. The racing dynamics have changed since his heyday, but it's not like he was a slouch in Monaco races either. But I'd tend to think Tim and Jakob would be favored over him with how much they've improved.

So you have 'no idea' whether Kiprop doped his entire career - a doping bust for EPO as soon as testing is ramped up in Kenya, when he was struggling to run 3:40, sheds no light whatsoever on his ability to run 3:26 clean a few years prior with virtually no testing?

And Managoi will be a factor. Presumably you believe his ludicrous excuses and see no suspicion in his mysterious slump in form in 2019, coinciding as it did with that of his brother's, and his last minute withdrawal from Doha?

And you think I lie awake at night worrying that people like you consider me racist?

Coevett wrote:

So you have 'no idea' whether Kiprop doped his entire career - a doping bust for EPO as soon as testing is ramped up in Kenya, when he was struggling to run 3:40, sheds no light whatsoever on his ability to run 3:26 clean a few years prior with virtually no testing?

And Managoi will be a factor. Presumably you believe his ludicrous excuses and see no suspicion in his mysterious slump in form in 2019, coinciding as it did with that of his brother's, and his last minute withdrawal from Doha?

And you think I lie awake at night worrying that people like you consider me racist?

So 2017 was when testing was ramped up, good to know. Also coincided with Manangoi's best season of his career, which is good to know based on your logic. Guess he just got lucky with his tests? Or he was doping in a way that was suddenly detectable in 2019 (please)?

You say Kiprop had virtually no testing in 2015, but what is that based on? He raced in 9 DL/WC/Top Europeans races from May-September. You can enlighten us on the OOC Testing situation, but he was undoubtedly tested a lot in 2015 in competition. If he was using EPO his whole career why did he start to really stink in 2017? What is your theory? He was a 3:34 guy all of a sudden. Minor slippage in 2016, but nothing to forecast it.

Manangoi's slump in 2019 wasn't so mysterious, he was battling injury pretty much all year after a good opener in Doha. It was written about at the time.

Don't really care, your last post was nativist at the very least around Mo Farah, Katir et al.

I didn't say that every doping athlete was caught after 2017. Yes, testing was improved in Kenya at around that time, which is why the number of busts increased markedly, including Kiprop. Yes, agreed, Manangoi was boasting of breaking 3:26.0 at Monaco only days after Kiprop was busted, but his career went sharply into decline (and started missing tests) almost immediately after Kiprop was banned for 2 years in 2019.

Why am I even arguing with somebody who thinks I'm being unreasonable for considering it unlikely that a guy using EPO when he's running 3:40, was not using EPO when he was running 3:26 a few years prior, and every other runner before that who had run close to that was in the full throttle EPO era?

I'm less of a racist than you are a doping apologist, and that's for certain. And there's something really disgusting about white middle-class hobby joggers throwing the racism card as a diversion and justification of the doping of poverty stricking African men by often white coaches and managers.

Coevett wrote: Yes, agreed, Manangoi was boasting of breaking 3:26.0 at Monaco only days after Kiprop was busted, but his career went sharply into decline (and started missing tests) almost immediately after Kiprop was banned for 2 years in 2019.

Why am I even arguing with somebody who thinks I'm being unreasonable for considering it unlikely that a guy using EPO when he's running 3:40, was not using EPO when he was running 3:26 a few years prior, and every other runner before that who had run close to that was in the full throttle EPO era?

You sir are just a habitual liar. Kiprop was busted in 2017 and Manangoi had a very good 2018 with Kiprop banished from the sport. Kiprop was banned well before April 2019 but that is when his provisional suspension was replaced by the 4-year ban. It's not really a date that has any impact on Manangoi but you are grasping at straws so you'll time Manangoi's chain of injuries which started in May 2019 with a procedural piece of news on Kiprop. Truly desperate reasoning.

I am not saying (nor would ever say) you are unreasonable for saying that Kiprop used EPO throughout his career and not just in the season he was running 3:34 . I am saying you are unreasonable for acting like EPO was the end-all, be-all for him when he was a shell of himself (3:34 guy) when he was busted using it. There're numerous athletes who faced with declining abilities turn to PEDs (new ones or old ones for them). See Okagbare, Blessing. I have no idea if Kiprop was falling apart physically, dogging his training or whatever and tried to take a shortcut. Or if he did it his whole career. Him getting busted makes it more likely that yes he had cheated before. Everyone with a brain acknowledges this.

Who doesn't know that mo Farah was a big doper?

Who doesn't know that the ingebristens dope?

Sifan Hassan is also a doper!

Let's face the fact_ doping is everywhere. Some people here behave as if it's only happening in Africa sorry, Kenya....

I'm here to tell you that doping is everywhere. It's just just in Africa they don't know how to conceal it as compared to the west...

And Bahrain's Steepler Ruth Jebet's Ban ends Tomorrow.

I can not think of names but some people have done better after their suspension was over Very Rare, but it has happened

Is there a picture of the "fat" Kiprop? He is one of the skinniest ever people.