Kyler Murray: Most overrated professional athlete ever

I think that while the NFL still puts a lot of weight on team success, due to fantasy football and trying to ever increase their tv market share, they seem to be pushing individuals more and more.

Their TV ratings are up 10% for 2021 which is a lot in the tv world, and 91 of the 100 most watched shows on tv in 2021 were NFL football games.

It's rare anymore to hear about an upcoming "team" playing or highlights talking about "teams" as much as it is individuals. I heard at least half a dozen times on Sunday that "Tom Brady" won his playoff game, not "the Bucs". And it was always "Aaron Rodgers and the Packers" not "the Green Bay Packers."

All that said, they have to push to the limelight who they see as up and coming players in hopes they become the next Brady or Rodgers. I think Murray fits that slot even though Arizona is not one of their top markets. He is probably overrated to some extent because his name is thrown at fans on a regular basis, and most of the time ahead of the team as a whole. The networks gloss Murray and a lot others trying to make them seem superstar worthy when they are certainly good but not yet a star.

Just my opinion!

tony kukoc wrote:

It’s true

Coming out of college Kyler was relentlessly attacked for being too small and not NFL ready. Then he goes to the NFL and proves he can be decent in the NFL. Now he's only a couple years in and people are calling him overrated after losing in the playoffs! Man how the goal posts have changed.

Make a list of current quarterbacks better than Murray.

In order:

Tom Brady

Aaron Rogers

Patrick Mahomes

Joe Burrow

Mac Jones

Justin Herbert

Josh Allen

Russel Wilson

Matt Stafford

Lamar Jackson

Derrick Carr

Kirk Cousins

Tua Tagovailoa

Ben Roethlesberger

Justin Fields

Jared Goff

Jameis Winston

Trevor Lawrence

Jimmy Garroppolo

Jalen Hurts

Matt Ryan

Daniel Jones

Trevor Heinike

Baker Mayfield

Teddy Bridgewater

Cam Newton

Geno Smith

Case Keenum

Tyrod Taylor

Marcus Mariota

Zack Wilson

Andy Dalton

Dwayne Haskins

Gardner Minshew

Ryan Tannehill

Tyler Huntley

Jordan Love

Carson Wentz

Davis Mills

Sam Ehlinger

Dak Prescott

Trevor Siemian

Jacoby Brissett

Taysom Hill

Sam Darnold

Deshaun Watson

Drew Lock

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Trey Lance

Nope. Guy is in the playoffs in his third season. He is throwing more and running less. He has a completion percentage close to 70% and has more than twice as many TDs as INTs. You need to appreciate how difficult that is for a young QB. He's doing as well as most #1 picks at this point in his career.

Yea this is the issue with the term overrated. Does that mean literally over rated? I do think nobody thought he was "rated" incorrectly by objective data. Usually these arguments are about too much Pub/attention for how good they are. Kyler does get maybe a bit too much run.

Want to have a real fun thread? lets talk about the concept of being overrated but still great.

Muhammed Ali--overrated

Jerry Rice- way overrated

Both one of the best of all time but not the best.

Burrow is a 1 pick and won his game and looks clearly better with less NFL experience than Murray. The reality is they figured him out just like they did with Lamar Jackson. The most critical function is still throwing, while being supported by the ability to run. That's why Mahomes is so good and Lamar Jackson and Murray are not. They are QBs who can throw but chose to run more often, not the other way around. Those QBs tend to not have the best careers. That being said Murray is somewhat overrated but not massively. I'd rank him in the 12 to 14 range with the likes of Tannehill, Prescott and Carr, but below Stafford and then the actual elite QBs. I mean he's certainly better than the other Oklahoma QBs Hurts and Mayfield and Mayfield was pretty overrated for a while.

this list is a joke if you really think mac jones is #5 and big ben isn't at the very bottom. do you even watch football games?

Why are people talking about basketball on our Covid blog?

bigmig19 wrote:

Abbot and Costello wrote:

Nah, that would be Tom Brady. He is the luckiest, but people say he is the best. Probably fifth or sixth all time.

Reasonable viewpoint 10 yrs ago. Too many data points and comebacks for that to be true, esp with revolving door of running backs and wide receivers that are mediocre. Lets see...randy moss for couple yrs, Edelman, Gronk...not much more.

He's won more with less.

More like a revolving door of quality depth (Stevan Ridley, Legarrette Blount, Dion Lewis, Danny Amendola, Brandon Lafell) with a spattering of very good (Welker, Edelman, Cooks) and a few all time greats (Moss, Gronkowski). You know who really impresses me is Patrick Mahomes and what he's been doing the last few years with just Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, and really not much else.

Another misunderstanding of the term "overrated". Murray is never talked about as a top 6 QB.

Watch next week the difference between the Bucs o-line protecting Brady vs. the protection the Cards o-line offered.

bigmig19 wrote:

Jerry Rice- way overrated

You just lost. Put away your ipad. You are banned from participating the rest of the day,

NotPC wrote:

He's overrated for sure, but there just aren't many quality QBs. I see him being the next Marcus Mariota. He starts for a few years, but eventually he shows that he's good enough to be a quality back up, but that's it.

Not a bad way to make a living if you ask me.

Are you guys insane? A quality backup. No.

He's a very good starting qb.

He's a little short but the problem with the game was simple. His line was being dominated. How did Mahomes look in the super bowl last year? There are zero quarterbacks in the world who look great when their line is a sieve.

Now part of the problem with running QBs like him and Lamar is they always think, "I can run around and not get sacked so I'll look to make a huge play. "

And they end up getting sacked.

Much like it would have been useful for Alan Webb to have run in the pack in some JV college meets to get used to being surrounded, it would be useful for them to play a few games as a statue and practice going through the progressions quickly and getting the ball out.

AP5000 wrote:

Burrow is a 1 pick and won his game and looks clearly better with less NFL experience than Murray. The reality is they figured him out just like they did with Lamar Jackson. The most critical function is still throwing, while being supported by the ability to run. That's why Mahomes is so good and Lamar Jackson and Murray are not. They are QBs who can throw but chose to run more often, not the other way around. Those QBs tend to not have the best careers. That being said Murray is somewhat overrated but not massively. I'd rank him in the 12 to 14 range with the likes of Tannehill, Prescott and Carr, but below Stafford and then the actual elite QBs. I mean he's certainly better than the other Oklahoma QBs Hurts and Mayfield and Mayfield was pretty overrated for a while.

This is correct. One you make Jackson or Murray into a pocket thrower they become very average very quickly. Against most team with inferior athletes they can put up some big numbers. But clearly the Rams had enough athleticism on the field to totally neutralize Murray's athleticism, and then he (almost literally) did not know what to do. Murray's height will also always be an obstacle in the way of being a great pocket QB.

No great QB throws that pick 6. Brady can barely move but would have thrown it away in less time.

the real problem with running backs is that inevitably they get hurt. guys are just too big and fast and it's only a matter of time when one of the hits hurts them (even if they are sliding early). LJ got hurt this year and murray got hurt last year. murray's biggest problem is that he had 1 great receiver and then a bunch of mediocre ones and that great receiver got hurt. he looked great before hopkins got hurt.

he also stopped running. there were so many plays last night where he could have run for at least 5 yards but pulled up and threw an incomplete pass. i don't know if he had been told to not run but he demonstrably was less of a runner the 2nd half this year.

He's too short. Sometimes it's that simple.

Cal Ripken, Nolan Ryan, Muhammad Ali.

run now wrote:

No great QB throws that pick 6. Brady can barely move but would have thrown it away in less time.

Yeah, they all may have done the same thing, it was some bad luck. I am not a fan of Kyler Murray, as I think he's too short and looks downfield way too long, but, other than him not seeing that hit coming (which it never should have even happened had the offensive line not sucked so bad), as he started to throw the ball he was pulled again which totally changed it's trajectory - trying to throw the ball to Moore was not a bad choice. Yeah, older wiser and with hindsight he should have grounded it as soon as he got touched, but if he had completed the pass to Moore we wouldn't be talking about it. That's football.