exactly why is the trans man competing against women?
Trans activists ultimate end game is that trans women can just identify as women to compete against them without any horomone therapy.
So if someone identifies as male they should compete with the men.
its the lack of consistency is what I can't stand.
gumps wrote:
The Ivy League is a bunch of wackos. Unfortunately this will only be the beginning of the end for the womens division.
Instead of gender pronouns, what we should be focusing on as runners is that it's clear hormone replacement therapy gives you a competitive edge. You can be the best runner you can be by switching genders. And it's completely legit! No burritos required!
The title is wrong. The swimmer from upenn is a transgender man and he was beaten by a transgender woman from Yale.
That said, it is a peculiar outcome. A woman beating a man. Shows you how much better the Yale girl is than her competition.
Waiting for 6' 7" power forward type to transition to female and wreck NCAAW basketball. 12 months of hormone replacement is incidental for fully grown men.
bio Domer wrote:
Anyone else think that the brojos need to find a new hobby?
No.
bio Domer wrote:
Anyone else think that the brojos need to find a new hobby?
Liberals are confused as f$ck and pushing this on the Rest of us. Do we need to define "this"?
Why read a newspaper written by illiterates who repeat themselves every few paragraphs? This is mostly an excuse to print photos of swimsuit-clad young women, while attracting eyeballs through the trans- business. Of course, the images do show how the hulking trans-athlete has an enormous physical advantage over the female competitors. As for these results, it appears as if the female-to-male athlete has been taken hormones with the muscles but the claim is no. But now, actually getting to the overall context, Izzi Henig of Yale has the 11th best 2021-22 time at 50 free, about 0.8s behind the leader. Henig is 10th at 48.03 in the 100 free. Top time is 47.15. Thomas is 95th with 49.42. So, unless that is all sandbagging (and in this meet Thomas was much slower), Thomas is no threat to dominate the 50 or 100m free in the women's category. Henig, the female to male transitioner, is far closer. However, Thomas is #1 in the nation at the 200 free (is that one of Thomas's records?) at 1:41.93. To average only 1.5 s slower per 100 is awfully good in going from 100 to 200. 2nd is 0.66s back. Thomas is also first nationally in the 500 free in 4:34.06, up 0.81 on #2. Thomas is also #3 by five seconds in the 1000 and #6 by 12 seconds in the 1650y. Penn is #35 in the 800 free relay.
There you have it, Thomas is very likely to win nationals in the 200 and 500 free and probably medal in the 1k.
The announcers of sporting events don't ask every participant what pronoun they choose nor should they. There are male and female sports. A male can't participate in women's sports so this person is still female or she couldn't compete. To call her him would be saying a man is allowed in women's sports.
seattle prattle wrote:
2:18 at the casino (SLU grad) wrote:
Good for him, I mean her, no him, no her, yeah her.
I would not assume which pronoun they prefer, actually, and possibly they would not prefer either.
Perhaps they are non-binary.
From The Center for Transgender Equality website:
"How to Be Respectful and Supportive of Non-Binary People
It isn’t as hard as you might think to be supportive and respectful of non-binary people, even if you have just started to learn about them.
...Try not to make any assumptions about people’s gender. You can’t tell if someone is non-binary simply by looking at them, just like how you can’t tell if someone is transgender just by how they look.
If you’re not sure what pronouns someone uses, ask. Different non-binary people may use different pronouns. Many non-binary people use “they” while others use “he” or “she,” and still others use other pronouns. Asking whether someone should be referred to as “he,” “she,” “they,” or another pronoun may feel awkward at first, but is one of the simplest and most important ways to show respect for someone’s identity."
Hope this helps.
No one cares. Like I'm gonna spend my day asking what pronouns people prefer...dream on.
Figured this would come from Seattle.
no - i think more people need to be advocating for women to be in womens sport. It can't just be where you choose to compete - it needs to be some definition. Hopefully more websites and sport advocates continue to bring attention to this!
wejo wrote:
Looks like from what I can tell the Yale swimmer isn’t doping yet to become a transgender man so is the one at the biological disadvantage .
https://mol.im/a/10382019
Just pointing out that if somebody writes "Ryan Hall dopes with his bodybuilding," it will get deleted by the mods. And yet they're referring to the exact same thing: taking testosterone.
But Wejo can say a F2M transgender is doping.
Help me out with this, because I’m actually missing the controversy about Henig. He ig was born female, hadn’t had any hormone therapy (as stated in the article), but intends after college to take it to transition to being a male.
What exactly is the problem? I’m unsure how I feel about Thomas competing as a female, but most people that are worried about women’s sports maintain that the sex you are born as is the one you compete as. Since Henig isn’t taking hormones, Henig can identify as male, but is biologically female.
Someone explain the uproar.
She has to be female to compete.
calbuffalo wrote:
seattle prattle wrote:
I would not assume which pronoun they prefer, actually, and possibly they would not prefer either.
Perhaps they are non-binary.
From The Center for Transgender Equality website:
"How to Be Respectful and Supportive of Non-Binary People
It isn’t as hard as you might think to be supportive and respectful of non-binary people, even if you have just started to learn about them.
...Try not to make any assumptions about people’s gender. You can’t tell if someone is non-binary simply by looking at them, just like how you can’t tell if someone is transgender just by how they look.
If you’re not sure what pronouns someone uses, ask. Different non-binary people may use different pronouns. Many non-binary people use “they” while others use “he” or “she,” and still others use other pronouns. Asking whether someone should be referred to as “he,” “she,” “they,” or another pronoun may feel awkward at first, but is one of the simplest and most important ways to show respect for someone’s identity."
Hope this helps.
No one cares. Like I'm gonna spend my day asking what pronouns people prefer...dream on.
Figured this would come from Seattle.
My point is simply that they may not prefer either him nor her. Some transgender individuals won't identify as either one, and prefer a gender neutral identifier, like 'they' or 'them'. At least that is what i've heard.
Call them what you may (as I suspect most will). I'm just trying to draw some attention that it may be even more involved and imbued with subtlety than you thought.
Go run fast and jump wrote:
She has to be female to compete.
Natural female, has female organs, not taking hormones…thus, biologically female. Henig can identify however Henig wants. You’re being a hypocrite if you are mad about a biological male competing with women because you think Thomas is a man, but then also getting mad if a biological woman competes as a woman.
seattle prattle wrote:
calbuffalo wrote:
No one cares. Like I'm gonna spend my day asking what pronouns people prefer...dream on.
Figured this would come from Seattle.
My point is simply that they may not prefer either him nor her. Some transgender individuals won't identify as either one, and prefer a gender neutral identifier, like 'they' or 'them'. At least that is what i've heard.
Call them what you may (as I suspect most will). I'm just trying to draw some attention that it may be even more involved and imbued with subtlety than you thought.
Maybe Henig doesn’t identify as “they” and instead goes by “him” are you are misgendering too. Don’t overthink it.
pointing out the obvious part wrote:
seattle prattle wrote:
My point is simply that they may not prefer either him nor her. Some transgender individuals won't identify as either one, and prefer a gender neutral identifier, like 'they' or 'them'. At least that is what i've heard.
Call them what you may (as I suspect most will). I'm just trying to draw some attention that it may be even more involved and imbued with subtlety than you thought.
Maybe Henig doesn’t identify as “they” and instead goes by “him” are you are misgendering too. Don’t overthink it.
I guess from reading a couple of sites about this, the way they prefer one goes about it is to try to find out what the individual prefers and respect that, though it is likely some confusion or blunders along the way are common and may reasonably be expected nonetheless.
pointing out the obvious part wrote:
Help me out with this, because I’m actually missing the controversy about Henig. He ig was born female, hadn’t had any hormone therapy (as stated in the article), but intends after college to take it to transition to being a male.
What exactly is the problem? I’m unsure how I feel about Thomas competing as a female, but most people that are worried about women’s sports maintain that the sex you are born as is the one you compete as. Since Henig isn’t taking hormones, Henig can identify as male, but is biologically female.
Someone explain the uproar.
The problem is you're using normal logic rather than holding them to their own standards. If you hold them to their own standards then a logical inconsistency is revealed.
The trans man from Upenn wants to compete with women bc he thinks he's a woman.
However the trans woman from Yale also competes with women, despite believing she is a man.
If the woman from Yale wants to be a man then why is she competing with women? Why doesn't she go and compete with men?
These are the questions that arise if you follow their logic.
My common sense position is that if she's actually not doping yet then she is a fantastic female athlete who earned her victory and she should continue competing as a woman. If she's not doping yet then there is no problem, so long as you ignore the logical inconsistency between what she says and what she does.
Actually, she can't according to the rules which clearly define what is required to be female. She says that she meets those requirements. She can identify as a male outside of competition but has to agree that she is female when she competes. This isn't complicated.
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