ackay wrote:
i disagree with the idea of quiting in protest. you don't change things you disagree with by quiting. if the issue is important to her , she should stay in the game and use her influence to argue her point. probably she was already ready to go.
She's one of about 15K swim officials so she doesn't quite have the influence that Seb Coe has in T&F.
Im not sure how I feel about her course of action or what the best way to effectuate change is, but I'm glad she has the right idea and is standing up for women's rights.
The violation of women's rights cheered on by radical gender activists will have dire consequences if more people dont start to stand up and fight it. What needs to happen is that the women at the top of their sports need to stand in solidarity. The only hope we have is for this problem to be addressed topdown.
The Serena Williams and Simone Biles of the world need to stand up and protect their sport otherwise theyre screwed.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Im not sure how I feel about her course of action or what the best way to effectuate change is, but I'm glad she has the right idea and is standing up for women's rights.
The violation of women's rights cheered on by radical gender activists will have dire consequences if more people dont start to stand up and fight it. What needs to happen is that the women at the top of their sports need to stand in solidarity. The only hope we have is for this problem to be addressed topdown.
The Serena Williams and Simone Biles of the world need to stand up and protect their sport otherwise theyre screwed.
There's only one of each but why would Biles and Williams be screwed?
OozmaKappa wrote:
Im not sure how I feel about her course of action or what the best way to effectuate change is, but I'm glad she has the right idea and is standing up for women's rights.
The violation of women's rights cheered on by radical gender activists will have dire consequences if more people dont start to stand up and fight it. What needs to happen is that the women at the top of their sports need to stand in solidarity. The only hope we have is for this problem to be addressed topdown.
The Serena Williams and Simone Biles of the world need to stand up and protect their sport otherwise theyre screwed.
Deluded. Serena Williams has been subject to vile abuse about her and her sister's bodies. They've been given cruel nicknames and had their femininity questioned multiple times. There's also been rumors she is trans or intersex and she's said in her youth this was hard to deal with. Despite being clearly the best tennis players of all time, people have tried to undermine their achievements by reducing it to their physicality, despite the other parts of their game and movement still being better than their nearest challengers.
Of all people to lead a pile on, it's not going to be Serena. Simone Biles too has come out and defended Caster Semenya's inclusion. I know it's hard to believe, but Gen Z 20-something college kids are not anti-LGBT and will defend their rights, despite what their coaches or parents are thinking. In fact they are probably pro-inclusion because they see the politicization and scrutiny of trans bodies to be similar to the scrutiny they themselves experience as young women.
Yes, that's how I see it as well. To their own detriment. The revolution will eat their own children. There was not much to fight for in the first place, as it was more about strawman argument. But each generation needs their own cause. This Z gen found an artificial one. If nothing changes, there will be no women category 15 years from now. The next gen will have something to fight for at least.
Forrest Child wrote:
Yes, that's how I see it as well. To their own detriment. The revolution will eat their own children. There was not much to fight for in the first place, as it was more about strawman argument. But each generation needs their own cause. This Z gen found an artificial one. If nothing changes, there will be no women category 15 years from now. The next gen will have something to fight for at least.
How many transgender athletes will it take to end the women's category? It will only take about 15 years to go from one transgender athlete to maybe 100K?
Jerry Maguire wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10342703/amp/Longtime-USA-Swimming-official-QUITS-protest-Penn-transgender-student-Lia-Thomas.htmlBravo! Finally people with skin in the game are taking a stand.
I cannot for the life of me understand why female competitors aren't protesting at the start line / blocks… refusing to start their race against trans athletes.
Female competitors NEED to speak up and stop worrying about the backlash.
You're absolutely spot on. Unless athletes and coaches refuse to participate in events supporting trans athletes the message will never be received and understood. It wasn't too long ago when posters on this site were arguing that trans-athletes only wanted to be accepted and to compete with those they felt comfortable with, not to compete or win. I replied that this was only the tip of the iceberg and that soon they will be winning races and destroying women's athletics.
Here we go...
Aouita 84 wrote:
Jerry Maguire wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10342703/amp/Longtime-USA-Swimming-official-QUITS-protest-Penn-transgender-student-Lia-Thomas.htmlBravo! Finally people with skin in the game are taking a stand.
I cannot for the life of me understand why female competitors aren't protesting at the start line / blocks… refusing to start their race against trans athletes.
Female competitors NEED to speak up and stop worrying about the backlash.
You're absolutely spot on. Unless athletes and coaches refuse to participate in events supporting trans athletes the message will never be received and understood. It wasn't too long ago when posters on this site were arguing that trans-athletes only wanted to be accepted and to compete with those they felt comfortable with, not to compete or win. I replied that this was only the tip of the iceberg and that soon they will be winning races and destroying women's athletics.
Here we go...
And....this is only ONE facet of Lord Nefarious' attack on Western Culture. People just allow a simple truth such as gender go by the wayside, the rest comes easier and all is eventually lost.
"It wasn't too long ago when posters on this site were arguing that trans-athletes only wanted to be accepted and to compete with those they felt comfortable with, not to compete or win"
Really? I've been posting on LR for a few years now and have never seen such a post.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
"It wasn't too long ago when posters on this site were arguing that trans-athletes only wanted to be accepted and to compete with those they felt comfortable with, not to compete or win"
Really? I've been posting on LR for a few years now and have never seen such a post.
K. So which side do you support?
jamb innnnn wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
"It wasn't too long ago when posters on this site were arguing that trans-athletes only wanted to be accepted and to compete with those they felt comfortable with, not to compete or win"
Really? I've been posting on LR for a few years now and have never seen such a post.
K. So which side do you support?
I'm not sending money anywhere so I don't support either side, but I believe transgender athletes are here to stay and the good news is that athletes coming from a pool equal to about .5% of the population will never have a significant affect on women's sports.
What’s to stop a 10.2 100m guy from deciding to run as a woman to make money. He stands to make millions breaking the world and winning every race in sight.
Just add an 'other' category and move on......
IaWR wrote:
Lia should not compete against the women in the women's category.
I saw a video where Lia won very far ahead of the real women. When the first real woman reached the finish is when the cheers were heard loudly.
It's Lia's mental problem and he does not need to push his problem onto anyone else.
It's time to consider it's not mental illness, but extreme narcissism/ anti social personality disorders behind much (not all) of this. People ask "who would change their sex just to win a race?" Sociopaths would. They have no true sense of self, gender, sexuality, personality.... and invent them as needed to get what they want. Changing sex or genders might not be that big of deal to someone who is already empty inside. Sociopaths have been known to sleep with both sexes, depending on what they think they can get out of the other person. Sex means nothing to them. They also lack any sort of empathy for other human beings, so they don't give a damn about hurting anyone. Watch that interview with Lia - very flat affect, characteristic of a sociopath.
Not everyone with body dysmorphia is a sociopath, but I really believe not every transgender person has body dysmorphia.
Why wouldn't it have a significant affect? Lia has already set multiple school records, qualified for NCAAs, and dominated her events... all in half a season. Lia will likely final at NCAAs and could win events. That's one person who was a good, but not great, NCAA men's swimmer.
Tatar... wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Im not sure how I feel about her course of action or what the best way to effectuate change is, but I'm glad she has the right idea and is standing up for women's rights.
The violation of women's rights cheered on by radical gender activists will have dire consequences if more people dont start to stand up and fight it. What needs to happen is that the women at the top of their sports need to stand in solidarity. The only hope we have is for this problem to be addressed topdown.
The Serena Williams and Simone Biles of the world need to stand up and protect their sport otherwise theyre screwed.
Deluded. Serena Williams has been subject to vile abuse about her and her sister's bodies. They've been given cruel nicknames and had their femininity questioned multiple times. There's also been rumors she is trans or intersex and she's said in her youth this was hard to deal with. Despite being clearly the best tennis players of all time, people have tried to undermine their achievements by reducing it to their physicality, despite the other parts of their game and movement still being better than their nearest challengers.
Of all people to lead a pile on, it's not going to be Serena. Simone Biles too has come out and defended Caster Semenya's inclusion. I know it's hard to believe, but Gen Z 20-something college kids are not anti-LGBT and will defend their rights, despite what their coaches or parents are thinking. In fact they are probably pro-inclusion because they see the politicization and scrutiny of trans bodies to be similar to the scrutiny they themselves experience as young women.
Do you think male athletes don’t get ridiculed? Charles Barkley ring a bell?
And by the way, the vast majority of Americans don’t subscribe to your degenerate values.
flyingfrog wrote:
Just add an 'other' category and move on......
When Boston tried that all the transphobes got upset about that too.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10969683Support women's sports wrote:
IaWR wrote:
Lia should not compete against the women in the women's category.
I saw a video where Lia won very far ahead of the real women. When the first real woman reached the finish is when the cheers were heard loudly.
It's Lia's mental problem and he does not need to push his problem onto anyone else.
It's time to consider it's not mental illness, but extreme narcissism/ anti social personality disorders behind much (not all) of this. People ask "who would change their sex just to win a race?" Sociopaths would. They have no true sense of self, gender, sexuality, personality.... and invent them as needed to get what they want. Changing sex or genders might not be that big of deal to someone who is already empty inside. Sociopaths have been known to sleep with both sexes, depending on what they think they can get out of the other person. Sex means nothing to them. They also lack any sort of empathy for other human beings, so they don't give a damn about hurting anyone. Watch that interview with Lia - very flat affect, characteristic of a sociopath.
Not everyone with body dysmorphia is a sociopath, but I really believe not every transgender person has body dysmorphia.
This is just standard anti-LGBT rhetoric that has a long history. In the recent past gay men were said to be narcissists as they had fallen in love with an image of themselves and that was the root of their attraction. Laughable, but that was a common explainer for homosexuality. You're now making equally laughable explanations for transgenderism.
Trans women should not be allowed to compete against biological women. We all understand why.
That being said, many of you are transphobic and hateful. This isn’t a surprise to anyone but it is sad to see how awful some of you guys are. You can oppose trans inclusion in sports with empathy. In fact I think it’s the only way to stop it because being hateful is never going to get your point across.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
jamb innnnn wrote:
K. So which side do you support?
I'm not sending money anywhere so I don't support either side, but I believe transgender athletes are here to stay and the good news is that athletes coming from a pool equal to about .5% of the population will never have a significant affect on women's sports.
Dropping a single female swimmer's result by one place in one race is a significant effect, and if you don't understand this then ask yourself how you ended up with such a low opinion of the value of female athletes.