Need the same rules for college and masters or else it’s a sham. Guy in my track conference won the 10k in shoes illegal for a pro race.
Need the same rules for college and masters or else it’s a sham. Guy in my track conference won the 10k in shoes illegal for a pro race.
Imagine applying this to high school track and DQing every kid who runs in trainers. “I’m sorry but world athletics thinks your Brooks adrenalines are too much of an advantage. Maybe you should go get a pair of those Dragonfly’s the varsity runners are wearing.”
another good change wrote:
Also allowed to wear high stack road shoes in XC from now on…
Good change IMO, especially for gravel/dirt courses
I got 3rd in one of the masters age groups at Club XC. I was wearing old XC racing flats. Both 1st and 2nd ahead of me were wearing VF Next %s. That course was better groomed than some dirt tracks I have raced on. Time for me to buy some super shoes I think.
Club XC in Tallahassee wrote:
another good change wrote:
Also allowed to wear high stack road shoes in XC from now on…
Good change IMO, especially for gravel/dirt courses
I got 3rd in one of the masters age groups at Club XC. I was wearing old XC racing flats. Both 1st and 2nd ahead of me were wearing VF Next %s. That course was better groomed than some dirt tracks I have raced on. Time for me to buy some super shoes I think.
Time to race on any real XC course, where a road shoe would be useless.
Rojo, are you guys planning to post a summary of the changes + implications for various shoes? I'd be interested in seeing a summary of the changes.
Interesting that the cutoff number they chose is the stack height of the Nike spike. Coincidence?
ReadingBtwLines wrote:
Interesting that the cutoff number they chose is the stack height of the Nike spike. Coincidence?
What is the stack height for the Hyperfly?
I got your expert insight: people will race in them and generally nobody will think or care any further.
rojo wrote:
Set your WRs while you can. All track stack heights must be below 20mm by Nov 1, 2024.
The lower the stack height the faster the shoe, so times are likely to be faster not slower.
Can someone give definitive answers?
Is the nike mid d spike legal?
What about long d?
There goes the 50mm fruitfly spike idea
speculator wrote:
Can someone give definitive answers?
Is the nike mid d spike legal?
What about long d?
The Nike dragonfly and air zoom victory are officially LEGAL. The way WA measures it they come in at 20mm. They have an approved spikes list and both of those spikes are listed as legal even under sprinting spikes, which already have the 20mm restriction. The only notable distance spikes getting banned now are the new balance LD-X and the brooks wire v7
Redundant reasoning wrote:
rojo wrote:
Set your WRs while you can. All track stack heights must be below 20mm by Nov 1, 2024.
The lower the stack height the faster the shoe, so times are likely to be faster not slower.
See it's happening already. Soon anything under 10mm will be cheating
ReadingBtwLines wrote:
Interesting that the cutoff number they chose is the stack height of the Nike spike. Coincidence?
About as coincidental as it was with the road shoe rule. Keep in mind Coe's only employers have been Nike, the UK Federation (which is funded by them as USATF is) and the International Federation. He's about as loyal to Beaverton as Lanana is.
Don't forget his stint in Parliament and as CEO of Diadora.
look again wrote:
Club XC in Tallahassee wrote:
I got 3rd in one of the masters age groups at Club XC. I was wearing old XC racing flats. Both 1st and 2nd ahead of me were wearing VF Next %s. That course was better groomed than some dirt tracks I have raced on. Time for me to buy some super shoes I think.
Time to race on any real XC course, where a road shoe would be useless.
Tough to argue that Mt. Sac isn’t a real XC course. Hard pack dirt and a little concrete with little to no terrain problems make it suitable for basically any shoe.
Or is it just long thick grass, gopher hole fields, or running on an ankle breaking side slope that makes a course real XC?
prbcs wrote:
Burnsy wrote:
Not much of an effect. There were only a handful of spikes in the 20-25 mm limit (NB, Asics, and Saucony has one in development, I believe)
The main contenders - the Nike Dragonfly and Victory and the Adidas Avanti - are under 20 mm (as measured by WA)
It does cap the development of thicker spikes though. I suspected we were going to see a trend of thicker offerings up to that 25 mm limit for distance races (a la NB and Asics), but now we won’t.
Will Spain roll back Katir’s records? Ha.
Here’s the WA list that shows which shoes are 20 vs 25 mm, etc.
https://www.worldathletics.org/download/download?filename=73aae1e3-7d1e-4704-bfe6-415d96103ddf.pdf&urlslug=World%20Athletics%20Shoe%20Compliance%20List%20(as%20at%2015%20October%202021)Thick foam is probably the least of Katir’s potential assistance.
+1
I assume these rules are just designed to torpedo Nike competition who have been catching up. When will the people take back their power from corruption
No road shoes on tracks ian't cheating, if anything it is slower. I think Nick symmonds made a video about it why carbon road ahoes are bad on a track. To bouncy nad the lightness of track spikes is what gets you going faster. Plus road shoes have terrible grip, no spikes. I gjess only the new $500 adidas marathon shoes would be any good on the track with a spike plate because they are as light as dragonflies, so just make the sole mybe a tiny bit thinner and definetly add a spike plate then you have a cheater road track shoe...
Saala wrote:
speculator wrote:
Can someone give definitive answers?
Is the nike mid d spike legal?
What about long d?
The Nike dragonfly and air zoom victory are officially LEGAL. The way WA measures it they come in at 20mm. They have an approved spikes list and both of those spikes are listed as legal even under sprinting spikes, which already have the 20mm restriction. The only notable distance spikes getting banned now are the new balance LD-X and the brooks wire v7
Of course, they would never decide that á Nike shoe is illegal.
That's why it will not change for roads.
Here they are just punishing brands other than Nike.