Netherlands, a country with a 85% vaccination rate, enters new lockdown due to COVID

On a positive note, It's good to see that our bodies reject these vaccines.

The first half dozen lockdowns didn't control the virus. So, they're doing it again. Hmm....

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different results."

GettingFasterDude wrote:

The first half dozen lockdowns didn't control the virus. So, they're doing it again. Hmm....

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different results."

It’s a desperation move.

Its pretty obvious people are either dying from the vaccine or the vaccines just don work. But people like harambe pretend its neither of those

[quote]Vineyard Vines wrote:

I think everyone has pretty much accepted that the one or two dose covid vaccine regimen is only good for six months of protection,

I don't remember being told that when they brought out the jab

[quote]I am Sam wrote:

Re above, considering that the vax % is 92.5%, and in the age group in ICU it is nearly 99%, a staggering 80% of the ICU total comes from that 1% of unvaxxed, in the most vulnerable group

Where are these numbers coming from?

Isn't the Omricon variant relevant here? It appears that this variant 1) allows for many more breakthrough infections 2) has a high R(t), 3) is rapidly displacing Delta, and 4) is less severe.

This is all tentative. The current surprising fall-off in South Africa is very surprising in that it grew quickly, not for long enough to infect a lot of the population, yet cases have slowed down.

I don't think the models explain disorientingly fast but mercifully short. Poor testing? Underreporting due to less severe symptoms? Are the models just wrong? The population is not necessarily homogenous.

One of the problems here is that the government makes rules and they simply don't have enough information to make good rules. And if they did have good information, would the government still make good rules?

tlm1959 wrote:

Isn't the Omricon variant relevant here? It appears that this variant 1) allows for many more breakthrough infections 2) has a high R(t), 3) is rapidly displacing Delta, and 4) is less severe.

This is all tentative. The current surprising fall-off in South Africa is very surprising in that it grew quickly, not for long enough to infect a lot of the population, yet cases have slowed down.

I don't think the models explain disorientingly fast but mercifully short. Poor testing? Underreporting due to less severe symptoms? Are the models just wrong? The population is not necessarily homogenous.

One of the problems here is that the government makes rules and they simply don't have enough information to make good rules. And if they did have good information, would the government still make good rules?

Part of the government overreaction is that COVID has shown politicians get hammered in the court of public opinion more for a slight “underreaction” than a massive “overreaction”.

So if the Netherlands strictly shuts down for say six months and that turns out to be a overreaction in retrospect the media will say things like “well the government was just trying to save lives” whereas if the government decided not to shutdown the media will say explosive things like “they have blood on their hands” or “they killed grandma!”

So now we’re stuck in this terrible cycle where politicians are actually rewarded by the media for their draconian shutdowns and blatant power grabs and are punished by the media for allowing a free society where citizens can move award and gather freely. And you usually won’t have to twist the arm of a politician to take more power from people.

Why are the states, cities, countries, colleges, etc, with high vaccination rates, up to 100%, locking down when Harambe says, vaccinated can get sick, but with extremely few bad outcomes? So we had pre-vaccination lockdowns, we are not even sure that made sense, especially in light of all the non-infection consequences, now we want post-vaccination lockdowns?

NachoLibre wrote:

Why are the states, cities, countries, colleges, etc, with high vaccination rates, up to 100%, locking down when Harambe says, vaccinated can get sick, but with extremely few bad outcomes? So we had pre-vaccination lockdowns, we are not even sure that made sense, especially in light of all the non-infection consequences, now we want post-vaccination lockdowns?

One might think there is an agenda other than public health afoot.

carmine9 wrote:

NachoLibre wrote:

Why are the states, cities, countries, colleges, etc, with high vaccination rates, up to 100%, locking down when Harambe says, vaccinated can get sick, but with extremely few bad outcomes? So we had pre-vaccination lockdowns, we are not even sure that made sense, especially in light of all the non-infection consequences, now we want post-vaccination lockdowns?

One might think there is an agenda other than public health afoot.

Somehow we have to have post-vaccination lockdowns without admitting failure. I get it.

75 still alive wrote:

More of the continuous evidence that people are dying from the poisonous shots, not from a virus.

I am Sam wrote:

What poison is harming them?

The well known poisons in the so called "vaccinations," i.e. clot shots.

Only 9% in the Netherlands have boosters and they are facing an omicron wave on top of a huge Delta wave. Most people are off work (you actually get vacations in the EU) and strong action now will help prevent a devastating wave this winter.

Omicron is no joke. Texas has gone from 3k cases a day to 9k in just two weeks. In Houston, restaurants have been closing because they do not have enough staff after COVID outbreaks. I drove past a pop up drive through COVID testing site this morning and there were about thirty cars in line. Omicron just spreads too fast and is going to be overwhelming this winter. The only question is whether there are enough fully vaccinated people (3 doses) to keep the hospitals from overflowing again.

No politicians there saying that COVID will magically go away?

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/

They also had basically no covid rules, or restrictions up until now. Like wearing a mask was pretty weird there. And it's been like that since last spring... so umm it kind of caught up with them.

And in other statistics it does say like 73% vaccination rate. But cross the border in flander there is a 90% vaccination rate, and no lockdown but bars need to close at 11pm

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

Source please?

So in my actual data from NSW, why are 26 of 33 in ICU unvaccinated, yet they are only 1% of that population group?

What poison is harming them?

It appears that the real “poison” harming society are the overzealous power hungry politicians who continually use dictatorial powers to shutdown society for a virus that we have a very effective vaccine for.

Well, we do not have any shut down here...are you not comprehending?

carmine9 wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

Re above, considering that the vax % is 92.5%, and in the age group in ICU it is nearly 99%, a staggering 80% of the ICU total comes from that 1% of unvaxxed, in the most vulnerable group

Where are these numbers coming from?

All of them or which one in particular? They are reported in our papers every day

See what I posted in another thread

Precious Roy wrote:

In Houston, restaurants have been closing because they do not have enough staff after COVID outbreaks.

Six restaurants in Houston have chosen to temporarily & voluntary shutdown, sometimes just for a few days.

There are literally almost 10,000 restaurants in Houston.