xcrunner22765 wrote:
Has NP run a tactical race ever? Those kids just hammer from the gun every race. I feel like they would just run at their own pace 4:00-4:05ish and the collegians would follow that if it came to it.
Good point. It may actually make Penn Relay fast this year. College guys would obviously be embarrassed to draft behind HS juniors
xcrunner22765 wrote:
Has NP run a tactical race ever? Those kids just hammer from the gun every race. I feel like they would just run at their own pace 4:00-4:05ish and the collegians would follow that if it came to it.
Other than the order of the runners, I've never of relays being tactical. Would that mean the first 3 don't run all out and just leave it to the anchors to battle it out?
It's so hard to get a coaching job at a California D1 school with it's history of domination of distance running at the worlds and Olympics level, the NP coach feels the need to troll to Penn for a D1 coaching job. That's pathetic.
dustdevil wrote:
I’ve always said they need to race an open/college invite to get close to their full potential in this relay unless the race is set up for them to start lapping people fast. But if they go to the Penn Relays, since there is a high school division of the same race, would it count as a high school national record? Something is telling me no.
No, they do not run the HS 4 x mile/1600 at Penn.
The Green wrote:
It's so hard to get a coaching job at a California D1 school with it's history of domination of distance running at the worlds and Olympics level, the NP coach feels the need to troll to Penn for a D1 coaching job. That's pathetic.
What are are you talking about? the flotrack guys said for NP to run a 4xmile at penn days ago. I don't think it would actually happen, but who knows. The NP coach tweeted "id they let us in". What in the world are you talking about a DI coaching job. I think you're misreading something
fdjjjjj wrote:
Penn Relay is always so slow/tactical. Winning time in 2019 was 16:39 (team included Hacker, Hoare and McDonald). Probably the worse place to go for a fast time
2019 was the slowest 4 x mile in many years at Penn. Usually it's within 4 or 5 seconds of 16:20. Keep in mind also that many of the collegiate athletes are doubling back from the DMR on Friday or running in the 4 x 8 a couple hours after the 4 x mile.
dustdevil wrote:
I’ve always said they need to race an open/college invite to get close to their full potential in this relay unless the race is set up for them to start lapping people fast. But if they go to the Penn Relays, since there is a high school division of the same race, would it count as a high school national record? Something is telling me no.
Ritz's 13:51 5k counted. It was run at Penn in the Olympic Development race against open runners.
The Green wrote:
It's so hard to get a coaching job at a California D1 school with it's history of domination of distance running at the worlds and Olympics level, the NP coach feels the need to troll to Penn for a D1 coaching job. That's pathetic.
Any D1 AD knows who Brosnan is and how successful the NP runners are. Your post is bizarre mind reading.
Imnotaspy wrote:
dustdevil wrote:
I’ve always said they need to race an open/college invite to get close to their full potential in this relay unless the race is set up for them to start lapping people fast. But if they go to the Penn Relays, since there is a high school division of the same race, would it count as a high school national record? Something is telling me no.
Ritz's 13:51 5k counted. It was run at Penn in the Olympic Development race against open runners.
I don't know for sure, but they should still get a record if it was an open race. They would have to change the name of the event. It can not be called the "College Men's 4xMile Championship of America Invitational" . The would have to rename it to something like the "4xMile Championship of America Invitational". Ritz ran in an open Olympic Development race. That is completely different then being in a college race only. The Penn Relays meet Director would have to work this all out.
it would be cool for the sport to see this, but who knows if it can actually happen.
I like the way he thinks…
Most DMRs and 4xmiles are tactical.
Newbury Park will make the collegians actually try. No one wants to get beat by a high school team and we know that NP has sub 16 ability if the stars align.
I’m saying winning time with NP in the race is 15:50 and NP finishes 8th in 16:00.xx narrowly missing the sub 16 mark.
No. Colleges won't break 16 and NP won't break 16:15.
NP is the next Ingerbritsens wrote:
Newbury Park will make the collegians actually try. No one wants to get beat by a high school team and we know that NP has sub 16 ability if the stars align.
I’m saying winning time with NP in the race is 15:50 and NP finishes 8th in 16:00.xx narrowly missing the sub 16 mark.
It would be a shame if any of the fastest mile times for the season for any of the NP kids was a relay split. Why don't they run a balls to the wall mile instead?
Let them do it.
They won't win but they'll be competitive.
And it will be the most viewed 4xMile in Penn Relays history.
Why not?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
xcrunner22765 wrote:
Has NP run a tactical race ever? Those kids just hammer from the gun every race. I feel like they would just run at their own pace 4:00-4:05ish and the collegians would follow that if it came to it.
Other than the order of the runners, I've never of relays being tactical. Would that mean the first 3 don't run all out and just leave it to the anchors to battle it out?
Clearly you didn't see Cheserek and Jordy Williams basically walking against one another a few years back.
https://youtu.be/ZH5Qd0I7KaA?t=7271) there is a GIGANTIC difference between splitting 354 and 358 and if you do not know that then you are just ignorant. There have been 2 HS kids in history that have been capable of splitting 354y, Jim Ryun and Alan Webb.
2) It is not "being a hater" to point out reality, if Sahlman can drop his PR by 10 seconds in 12 months when he is already at an elite level, then more power to him.
Do I think Newbury Park can beat Ole Miss, no I don't.
Do I think Newbury Park is talented enough to compete well in a collegiate race, yes I do.
Do I think Newbury Park have a very good chance of shattering the current HS records (1641 for 4x1600 and 1701 for 4xmile), I absolutely do.
Drake is always looking to add things to the meet. Contact them. J
usnspecialist wrote:
1) there is a GIGANTIC difference between splitting 354 and 358 and if you do not know that then you are just ignorant. There have been 2 HS kids in history that have been capable of splitting 354y, Jim Ryun and Alan Webb.
2) It is not "being a hater" to point out reality, if Sahlman can drop his PR by 10 seconds in 12 months when he is already at an elite level, then more power to him.
Do I think Newbury Park can beat Ole Miss, no I don't.
Do I think Newbury Park is talented enough to compete well in a collegiate race, yes I do.
Do I think Newbury Park have a very good chance of shattering the current HS records (1641 for 4x1600 and 1701 for 4xmile), I absolutely do.
Just give us the answers and we can use our Carnac-like skills to guess the questions.
bruce denton's gold medal wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Other than the order of the runners, I've never of relays being tactical. Would that mean the first 3 don't run all out and just leave it to the anchors to battle it out?
Clearly you didn't see Cheserek and Jordy Williams basically walking against one another a few years back.
https://youtu.be/ZH5Qd0I7KaA?t=727
I was referring to the first 3 legs of the relay. In your example, did the others run 4:10s to set up the duel between the anchors?
Did you see the DMR record set by Jesuit? I was there and their strategy for the relay was for each member to run as fast as possible.