Do/Did Arthur Lydiard or Renato Canova drink alcohol 🍺? Jack Daniels PhD?

Jack Daniels is alcohol, Larry.

Youre not a duck. The couple times I dined with him at Kerio View he had wine (and watched the World Cup qualifier). My question is, so what?

eyewitness news wrote:

Youre not a duck. The couple times I dined with him at Kerio View he had wine (and watched the World Cup qualifier). My question is, so what?

I don't know what the point is, I didn't start the thread. I too thought it an odd question.

Hi there,

my dad was coached by Lydiard anod yes he would encourage him to drink beers after his runs. He would specifically encourage him to drink dark stout beers. My mum was coached by Barry Magee (who taught a lydiard training philosophy too), and she too was told to do the same thing.

They said some of the ingredients in the beer would help replace some of the trace elements lost through your sweat in a hard training run - I recall dad walking about the brewers yeast, iron & chromium in particular, I don’t know if this is credible advice up to date with today’s perspective, just telling you what my parents did.

Dick Taylor who won the 10000m in the Christchurch 1974 commonwealth games, another lydiard athlete, would drink 2 crate bottle sized stout while standing up to his waist in the river to cool down his legs. Apparently the size of the bottle was useful for not only the nutrition in the drink but also it took approx 20mins to drink it, which was ideal time to ‘ice the legs’. Lydiard also told dad to drink lots of tea with honey on it on a regular basis.

There’s a video that shows Eluids camp crushing brews every Saturday. He talks about how PBR is a team favorite

Google is easy wrote:

Alcohol intake was associated with a modest increase in the risk of melanoma, particularly in UV-protected sites.

What's that, Bad Wigins? You didn't want any help reevaluating your cognitive biases after all?

Jack doesn't drink. There was a rumor that he had issues earlier in life but I never heard it verified.

2) Alcohol, in any amount increases risks for all cancers.

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Are you trying to convince me or yourself of the benefits of alcohol consumption? Were you under the impression that alcohol lowers one's risk of testing positive for skin cancer?[/quote]

Going outside and being exposed to the sun increases your chance of getting skin cancer. Does that stop you from going outside? No, because the chances are so slim.

willie loman wrote:

Google is easy wrote:

Alcohol intake was associated with a modest increase in the risk of melanoma, particularly in UV-protected sites.

What's that, Bad Wigins? You didn't want any help reevaluating your cognitive biases after all?

Idiot, that's how science lies are framed - a "modest increase" of near zero risk in UV-protected sites results in a still-near-zero risk, not a modest risk.

Drinking is NOT gonna give me melanoma, or you. It's not a "cause."

oh, and all the teetotal fanatics should go over to the Mormon mission thread and get converted. But be warned, some studies suggest caffeine reduces cancer risk, so you might get cancer from giving it up.

One other thing, here's a recent metastudy contradicting the original claim that "alcohol in any amount increases risk of all cancers. " Consider the claim unproven and essentially debunked.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28546524/

These people are more famous as good coaches rather than good athletes.

Lots of reasons they became good coaches. Their personal alcohol consumption may or may not have benefitted their ability to be a great coach. If alcohol did benefit their coaching ability, it was a relatively small benefit when compared to numerous other factors.

Few coaches are able to use their current athletic ability as an example ( role model) in their coaching. "Do as I say, not as I do".

Top athletes do not have the time and interest to be great coaches when they are currently also trying to achieve their highest fitness levels

I had a few beers with Arthur when he was in the US. The US brand he particularly liked was Schlitz, a brand that does not get much praise from beer drinkers here. I don't know if you can even get it anymore. But on his last tour I drove him from his Boston talk to his Washington, DC one. We decided to do the drive over two days with a stop at my mother-in-law's place outside New York City. Somehow I found a six pack of Schlitz and brought it along for us to split with dinner. He was so pleasantly surprised. That trip is such a great memory.

GreatDane1 wrote:

I remember reading a story of Lydiard taking Dick Taylor out for a beer to relax him the night before he won the 1974 Commonwealth Games 10,000m.

Did he get that idea from Frank Shorter?

IIRC Lydiard recommended Pilsner Urquel during a talk he gave in Madison, WI (can't remember if it was AL's 1999 or 2004 lecture tour).

So people who consume too much alcohol sometimes stay out in the sun too long?

Whooda thunkit?

Cheers for linking to this incredible study.

^^ Pilsner Urquell^^

cortlandalum wrote:

Jack doesn't drink.

Confirmed. He's a teetotaler.

So am I.

Fun fact: So are Donald Trump, Joseph Biden, and Nancy Pelosi.

Bad Wigins wrote:

oh, and all the teetotal fanatics should go over to the Mormon mission thread and get converted.

Why? It's perfectly possible to a) understand that there are no "gods" and b) not drink.

Though I think I can agree with the "fanatic" part. It somehow reminds me of an old riddle:

How can you find the vegan at a dinner party?

Oh, don't worry. S/he'll find *you*.