Ah yes he did,it was a point to point downhill with a 15mph tailwind for 4 miles so probably a bit slower time in reality.
Ah yes he did,it was a point to point downhill with a 15mph tailwind for 4 miles so probably a bit slower time in reality.
From their social media page, the club have now indicated they have started a thorough investigation. Fair enough and wouldn’t have expected any less.
I should also add that if any representatives of the club require any evidence to help with their investigation, please reply in this thread and I will be happy to provide everything I have.
It should also be noted that the Berlin performances of Ben and Bob have now been removed from power of 10 and Run Britain.
The runners in question are of course also free to respond to defend themselves (as any innocent people would) but clearly have no leg to stand on. I really hope the attempt to defraud your way into a good for age time was worth being forever labelled a family of cheating scumbags.
Not just us scousers who cheat.
I think a well known Woollyback faked a virtual 13:45 5k during lockdown with "digital epo".
Funny thing is he actually believed that this made him a 2:12 marathon runner given the way he started the Manchester and Liverpool marathons.
Yes I remember that one too! I’ve never been a fan of virtuals at all due to the potential capacity for cheating. I was shocked and disappointed at the time such a greatly talented runner would stoop to that level, but the evidence was clearly there on that occasion too. When called out , again the silence was deafening too.
I think what really gets me with this one is the fact that the likes of a genuine 2:56 runner (or whatever the cut off ends up being) would potentially miss out at London due to a joker like Ben.
Now den kidder wrote:
Not just us scousers who cheat.
I think a well known Woollyback faked a virtual 13:45 5k during lockdown with "digital epo".
Funny thing is he actually believed that this made him a 2:12 marathon runner given the way he started the Manchester and Liverpool marathons.
Who was that,I'm a woolyback as you put it and will happily make sure everyone here knows about him if he cheated.
I remember the treasurer? Of Liverpool running club getting caught at London on 2019 I think and still denying it till this day even though it was so obvious.
Birkoboy the woolyback bluenose whose name I now know. Weird little fella.
Plenty on here posting on a website hardly anyone sees but pretending theyve leaked the Pentagon papers. Go to the club with your info and if you want to discuss openly take it to rdb with the rest of the other cretins.
Only one fella started Manchester and Liverpool marathons at 2:12 pace. He did win them both, but it's gotta be the hard way to do it!
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If his club does investigate, taking members by their word aint worth sweet FA. Id suggest you create a false email and send the info in or stop preaching about the injustice as you're not willing to make a change or help.
Cheats must not prosper, but only posting on here does nothing. If you want to make a change do it.
The family clearly will fight it from their posts.
His club have stated via their social media page that they are investigating for sure. I would stake anything on the fact that the family will be aware of this post, yet would assume they have not posted anything on their own pages to prove that Berlin acted incorrectly in disqualifying them. If they had, this would no doubt have been put on here too to clear their name.
Setting up a new email address to contact them is probably a fair shout, or I may contact their committee directly in confidence. It is a fair point to cover all bases so one way or another I shall do that, but exposure publicly in the meantime at least helps make people aware of their character.
I would hope, and confidently feel that the investigation will come to the same conclusion as Berlin organisation did (I can’t see how that can be ignored in any case, not to mention the additional evidence from myself), but either way I feel his future will likely be at another club, as I can tell you that the vast majority of his peers have lost all respect for the lad.
For some additional context and for the wider community to see the shambolic efforts made to cover this up, I have included a couple of screenshots. Copy and paste the link and it should work fine, apologies as unable find a way to post pics direct.
The first link above, is a typical training run posted by Ben., from 9th September 2021. Note that the calorie burn here works out to give or take 50 calories per mile. He is a small and nimble lad so fair enough. Garmin map colour coded to show speeding up/slowing down, all good.
The second link above, shows his post after Berlin, supposedly documenting his run and time . Why is a Berlin map from elsewhere (outside of Garmin Connect) clearly superimposed in place of the usual Garmin map? If legit, would it not be posted in the same manner as the top image with colour coding on the map?(like every single other training run recently posted by him) . It does not have the matching map as he never ran the full route. Full access to his Garmin Connect records would no doubt show this, and I would assume the club will demand evidence of that. You would think with all of this going on, he would open up access to his connect profile so people can see for themselves rather than hiding his workouts., not a chance of that happening naturally!
Secondly, the calorie count per mile is now over 110 calories per mile, with the screenshot showing 3008 calories for 26.29 miles. Either he has put some serious weight on (which is not the case based on his marathon photos) in order to more than double his calorie burn per mile (whilst running at lower intensity no less!) or he has obtained that from somewhere else and passed it off as his marathon run.
When combined with the fact Berlin disqualified him without the above screenshots and taking into account the facts about the missed mats, I think it is plain to see what has happened here. People are free to draw their own conclusions of course.
Second ones a collage of photos. Just looks like he's added images onto a instgram storyline. The map on the garmin app is sh!t compared to the likes of strava. Id probs knock a photo together like Bens myself.
yes I agree elitecnut. that photo looks like he has done it. some comments seem interesting in this article.
in terms of instagram. garmin connect and strava. its entirely up to the athlete himself if he wants to use this. all my running friends do and don’t bother with them depending on the age.
you will always find athletes run in others names and that is also classed as “cheating”.
if you are so interested finding out if ben cheated then you can message him. he might even be unaware about this.
He definitely uses Garmin for all of his runs, but keeps the settings private. He will therefore have a record via the app, which he will likely be asked for by the club, as he was when he also tried to cheat during a COVID virtual 10 miler by using his displayed time. Sure enough his elapsed time was a good couple of minutes slower! The calorie burn very clearly shows that both runs in the images were ran by two different runners, which I would think is obvious to anybody. Of course he put the collage together, but combined with his disqualification (which clearly is yet another indicator he did cheat), this just looks a clear effort to obscure the fact this this was a fabricated Marathon. Funny how he never knocked together a collage for any of his other runs.
Locally, people have had huge question marks about his integrity for some time, and this is the first time he has done it in such a dumb manner (granted, not as dumb as his father’s attempt) that his guilt is beyond question. Berlin would not have just kicked him out on a whim. They will have investigated the video footage and photos, and clearly found him doing a disappearing act. They won’t just disqualify on a whim.
Asking Ben if he cheated is pointless as he is clearly a snake to do this anyway. Clearly learned behaviour and bad parenting to a degree though.
I would certainly think that the investigation by the club will come to the same conclusion as Berlin. Clearly they will not be running London with a good for age due to their dishonesty which was the primary aim, with the space going to hard working runners who actually ran the distance. From speaking to some local runners about this, he has completely lost their respect. I’m sure that will become apparent in the coming months. Sad, as with the right work ethic and attitude, he could have replicated his 5k and 10k successes as the marathon most likely.
“Quote”(as he was when he also tried to cheat during a COVID virtual 10 miler by using his displayed time. Sure enough his elapsed time was a good couple of minutes slower!)
this would indicate that you are from his club. the information from one of the members in the group was that his time on the screenshot is 57:11. his elapsed time was 57:13. so again youve not got you’re facts correct and are trying to damage the reputation of a athlete.
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(Berlin would not have just kicked him out on a whim.)
in fact it says on the information “missing any timing mats on a major event is a disqualification offence. looking at bens marathon photos he is actually on the opposite side of the road from the blue race line with lots of other athletes. given his first half on the marathon ben ran 1:21:02. do you not think he would of been able to achieve a GFA in 1:38:58 second half marathon. surely derek you should of done the maths on this.
You seem to have some weird vendetta.
They’ve been removed from the results. What more do you want? Prison sentence?
[quote]confused dot com wrote:
You seem to have some weird vendetta.
one hundred percent
hes back at 3:05:20 judging from his power of ten.
if he has just run a 10k personal best on sunday. he might see this and start training then am sure he will be happy with another twenty plus minute pb and you might just crawl back under you're rock.
So why has the female not been removed yet? To me it seems clear that she cheated. Her 5K splits:
5K - 27:14
10K - 27:52
15K - 29:38
20K - 32:41
25K - no time
30K - no time
35K - no time
29:21 average per 5K from start to 20K
25:08 average per 5K from 20K to 40K
1:21 faster pace per mile over the second half of the race
How do know the level of fitness of a runner. Her power of 10 say’a the Mum has not done a Half Marathon since 2016. Plenty of runners get faster with age, Plus some people was furloughed in COVID lock-down