Anybody listen to Trackguy USA podcast with Shelby Houlihan?

KGNemesis wrote:

Worth a listen

Just eyeball her and she is clearly taking some sort of cutting agent. He she looks like the terminator, clean women don't look like that...

They basically just asked her about her career and what she plans on doing while she's banned. That they avoided actually giving her a chance to explain herself and dispute the narrative tells me they know she's guilty, but like her enough that they want to publicly help her out.

Is this possible….? SO many popped athletes claim they’re innocent, and most probably are lying. I wonder, is it possible that maybe, to the best of their knowledge, they ARE in fact innocent? Consider a place like Kenya. When you have hundreds of marathoners that are capable of sub 2:15, if you are an agent or a sponsor, you have a huge stable of horses that can run. These guys race low level races, get small-medium prize money, and are disposable. I wonder if trainers for example, might be juicing their athletes with rub-down creams, supplements they are told to take and they naively do so, etc that really are doping the athlete, but the athlete is so hungry for a shot, they question nothing and legit dont know anything about it? Sounds like a far fetched conspiracy theory (which I hate), but in countries like Kenya that are so filled with corruption, it wouldnt surprise me in the least. Doubt that applies to Shelbo, but it’s a thought. If Nike is so corrupt as everyone on this forum seems to claim, would you put it past them to manipulate their athletes? Last time you got a rubdown or a deep tissue massage after hard workouts or a race, did YOU examine all the ingredients or question any potential ‘additives’ to their cream/oil?

StillRunnin wrote:

Last time you got a rubdown or a deep tissue massage after hard workouts or a race, did YOU examine all the ingredients or question any potential ‘additives’ to their cream/oil?

Last spa visit, I requested a lavender aromatherapy massage, but it smelled way more authentic than usual. Found out the guy before me had requested a massage with oil from uncastrated male pig stomach and now I'm setting PRs!

fffghhbjhvg wrote:

On the other there’s like a 99.999999% chance she’s dirty and lying so idk WHAT to believe

Show your work -- unlike the "expert" who testified that there was a 1 in 10,000 chance of castrated boar meet appearing in the food supply.

Does CAS have any scientists, statisticians, or mathematicians on its staff? Or does it just rely on "experts" hired to provide testimony?

Considering Kara Goucher and Allyson Felix were docked a ton of pay while pregnant, I doubt Nike's particularly interested in paying her to run time trials.

But I guess we'll see.

They remained committed to Armstrong and Salazar long after the writing was on the wall, but that may have been at Phil Knight's exclusive behest, and not representative of Nike's typical corporate culture.

whaletail wrote:

Considering Kara Goucher and Allyson Felix were docked a ton of pay while pregnant, I doubt Nike's particularly interested in paying her to run time trials.

But I guess we'll see.

They remained committed to Armstrong and Salazar long after the writing was on the wall, but that may have been at Phil Knight's exclusive behest, and not representative of Nike's typical corporate culture.

There were threads months/years before Shelby was confirmed doping about people calling out her doped to the gills performances. Nobody wanted to believe then. They're still around if anyone wants to look. It should not come as a shock to anybody that she popped.

brien evans wrote:

whaletail wrote:

Considering Kara Goucher and Allyson Felix were docked a ton of pay while pregnant, I doubt Nike's particularly interested in paying her to run time trials.

But I guess we'll see.

They remained committed to Armstrong and Salazar long after the writing was on the wall, but that may have been at Phil Knight's exclusive behest, and not representative of Nike's typical corporate culture.

There were threads months/years before Shelby was confirmed doping about people calling out her doped to the gills performances. Nobody wanted to believe then. They're still around if anyone wants to look. It should not come as a shock to anybody that she popped.

There have been countless claims of PED use against almost every successful runner on LR, so I'm not impressed.

If I was Nike I would think she is guilty or was reckless about what she ate or the supplements she used. Either way, she would be off the payroll.

brien evans wrote:

whaletail wrote:

Considering Kara Goucher and Allyson Felix were docked a ton of pay while pregnant, I doubt Nike's particularly interested in paying her to run time trials.

But I guess we'll see.

They remained committed to Armstrong and Salazar long after the writing was on the wall, but that may have been at Phil Knight's exclusive behest, and not representative of Nike's typical corporate culture.

There were threads months/years before Shelby was confirmed doping about people calling out her doped to the gills performances. Nobody wanted to believe then. They're still around if anyone wants to look. It should not come as a shock to anybody that she popped.

With an LRC doping thread practically an elite runner's right of passage, there'd be zero track sponsorship with such a litmus test.

And as far as I know, Nike hasn't publicly dropped her, and given here continued BTC support, maybe she hasn't lost her sponsorship.

Wasn't that basically Salazar's modus operandi while running NOP? After a visit to Dr. Brown, his entire stable of runners suddenly suffered from asthma, anemia and hypothyroidism (and that's just off the top of my head), and were expected to take the requisite prescriptions and infusions.

Those who complained were shunned, and either left or were dropped.

Although Nike execs may or may not have been privy to the specifics, they weren't deaf and blind, and Phil Knight, at least, continued supporting Salazar all the way to the end.

houlihound wrote:

fffghhbjhvg wrote:

On the one hand I feel horrible for her if she is clean.

On the other there’s like a 99.999999% chance she’s dirty and lying so idk WHAT to believe

Really don’t know? How about if you were forced to bet $500 one way or the other? Or even $50.

Fools on letsrun wouldn't know sarcasm if it slapped them in the face with a pork burrito.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

brien evans wrote:

There were threads months/years before Shelby was confirmed doping about people calling out her doped to the gills performances. Nobody wanted to believe then. They're still around if anyone wants to look. It should not come as a shock to anybody that she popped.

There have been countless claims of PED use against almost every successful runner on LR, so I'm not impressed.

If I was Nike I would think she is guilty or was reckless about what she ate or the supplements she used. Either way, she would be off the payroll.

Come on. It wasn't success, it was massive improvements in such a short period of time

vintriguedtosaytheleasy wrote:

Curious why she chose that one as her first “appearance” since June. Was wondering if it’s worth a listen or just more of the same…

LRC note: here is the link to the podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-the-garage-with-track-guy/id1577455035

Heard it, nothing new there. She didn’t have anything new to say to her case’s advantage. If your only defense is structured so as to be unverifiable, you have a problem on your hands.

houlihound wrote:

Really don’t know? How about if you were forced to bet $500 one way or the other? Or even $50.

You flunk that hypothetical. Any gambler worth the description would instantly take the odds on not guilty, particularly at the odds being thrown around in this thread and within the report.

My belief is that if there's a known connection between pork and nandrolone, the studies are insufficient and the permutations more widespread than some experts prefer to believe. That itself is obvious when you look at all the cautionary advisories from various reports:

“Although very unlikely, athletes have been shown to excrete 19-Norandrosterone when ingesting the edible portion of uncastrated pigs containing 19-Norandrosterone, so athletes are pre-tested. You should carefully avoid a diet consisting of pork guts for a few hours in the next few hours."

and from a different report:

“It is not possible to fully assess the risk that meat intake may cause noticeable urinary levels of 19-Norandrosterone, but eating good quality raw muscle meat from common animal species. I believe it could be far from that, “the Commission concluded. “It may be wise to avoid boars and horse guts.”

There wouldn't be warnings like that if all were fully known. The report tried to pretend everything is near absolute. When you are suspending someone for 4 years based on one test result it shouldn't be so easy to find wiggle room warnings in every related study. IMO, there should be far greater variance and logic within the banning structure.

griles17 wrote:

very slim chance she's lying

Lol

Gatlin was dropped by Nike and so will Shelby. They may have stood by her during her appeal but they will not continue to pay her when she is banned.

FYI - Salazar athletes never tested positive.