Kiplimo vs Ingebrigtsen, Jacob vs Jakob. Who is the more impresssive 20yo?

Agreed. That makes sense.

But i was asking people to look at the best performances each athlete has run and evaluate who the better runner is based on that, based on what theyve run up until now.

A slightly different discussion would be, like you said, who is the better runner right now.

And another discussion we could also have is who has the better potential.

Jakob is best or second-best 1500m runner in the world over the past 3 seasons. For Jacob, he has finished silver at World XC in 2019, and he won the World Half Championships in 2020. But on the track, he had a chance to establish himself in Tokyo and it seems he's clearly behind Barega and Cheptegei in the distance running pecking order. So, I'd personally take where Jakob is at with the caveat that yes the 1500 is weaker than the 5,000-10,000. Also worth noting Kibiwott Kandie may be as good at the half as Kiplimo (they went 1-1 last year) and he's also strong in XC, so that's another guy to contend with in those 2 events before thinking about a healthy Kamworor.

Kiplimo is great, but his Tokyo showing was disappointing and makes me wonder if his future is more as a 10,000/roads guy a la Kamworor instead of a track legend a la Cheptegei, Bekele, Farah and so on.

Yeah that's basically what I've been saying. That bc of Cheptegei, Kandie, and Kipchoge, Kiplimo's gold potential is greatly diminished. Hes going up against WR holders no matter the distance he picks. Jakob's not going up against anyone who can run 3:26s or close to that.

But should he fail to beat them, i dont think that diminishes his abilities. At the end of the day, I look at the performances people run. That's the great equalizer. Medals dont tell the whole story. Bekele's marathon career is not very successful, but hes proven to be able to perform at the level of Kipchoge multiple times. You can't tell me Bekele's not one of the best marathoners of all time.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Yakob fanboys are definitely in the building. 🤣

You guys keep bringing up the gold medal. But again, Yakob didnt have to beat an El Gorrouj, Komen, or Lagat to win that gold medal. Kiplimo lives in the shadow of a Bekele/Kipchoge level talent in Cheptegei. Yakob always had the better shot at a medal. To see that winning gold doesnt mean youre the best one need only turn to the previous olympic champion. 💀

Kiplimo did not finish behind only Cheptegei. This is the problem. A third and a fifth. Almost where Jakob was at worlds two years ago.

objectiveobserver wrote:

I am one of those who think Jakob will be the man to beat in the coming years also in the 5000m where he will have the edge over even Cheptegei, Jacob, Ahmed, Gebrhiwet and Barega.

Loool. What an "objective" observation!

Ok you guys are obv not gonna budge on this medal stuff. 😤

🧐So then Centro is better than Yakob right? He has more medals.🤔 So that means Centro > Yakob. 😭🤣🤣👏👏😂😂🖕

OozmaKappa wrote:

Yakob fanboys are definitely in the building. 🤣

You guys keep bringing up the gold medal. But again, Yakob didnt have to beat an El Gorrouj, Komen, or Lagat to win that gold medal. Kiplimo lives in the shadow of a Bekele/Kipchoge level talent in Cheptegei. Yakob always had the better shot at a medal. To see that winning gold doesnt mean youre the best one need only turn to the previous olympic champion. 💀

I don't know why they think the Olympic gold is a legit argument. Among those who've won gold in the Olympics are Centro, Makhloufi, and Farah (multiple times).

To assume that Kiplimo has peaked because of one middling year is madness. These are the same people who think Barega is better than runners who have beaten him consistently -- one of those runners being Kiplimo. As I said on another forum, Kiplimo most likely needs a new coach. He is in a different league at his best, and that includes in the 3000m.

OozmaKappa wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

I mean it seems pretty obvious Kiplimo is not on his game right now. Not sure if he is injured or what, but taking it as some clear sign he's not going to improve in the future is silly.

He ran a solo 26:33 this year in non-superspikes.

Both Kiplimo and Cheptegei, his training partner, were clearly peaked for last year and struggled to be at their best this year. Obv something went wrong there with their training, Cheptegei bounced back a little bit better. Still, like you said, its not like Kiplimos season was a bust since that 10k pr was pretty damn good.

I think its silly that people count Cheptegei out just bc of this, and then do the same for Kiplimo. They underperformed but it speaks to their abilities that they can medal and still disappoint.

Kiplimo is not Cheptegei's training partner. They train with different groups and with different coaches.

Man, am I misremembering or something. I swear ive heard commentators refer to the ugandan duo as training partners. Guess I was wrong.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Yakob fanboys are definitely in the building. 🤣

You guys keep bringing up the gold medal. But again, Yakob didnt have to beat an El Gorrouj, Komen, or Lagat to win that gold medal. Kiplimo lives in the shadow of a Bekele/Kipchoge level talent in Cheptegei. Yakob always had the better shot at a medal. To see that winning gold doesnt mean youre the best one need only turn to the previous olympic champion. 💀

you keep going on about El G, Komen and such but the thing is there is no El G/Komen level talent in the 10000. The 10,000 record is still soft and should probably be at 25:50 to be on the level of what El G and Komen did. Jakob is running an equivalent of 26:15 right now in his best event, the 1500. The 1500 always had the most talented of runners. El G is far superior to Bekele.

Uh oh:

"After that he came to a crossroads. Kiplimo wanted to remain in Uganda but his coach wanted him based in Italy. In the end Kiplimo chose Uganda, and he has trained primarily in Kapchorwa over the past few years.

That’s also where Joshua Cheptegei is based, and while Kiplimo joins in with him from time to time, most of his work is done with a different group. Through 2018 and 2019 he followed either his own plan or that of the locals in Kapchorwa, but since the start of 2020 he has been coached by Italian Iacopo Brasi, a colleague of Kiplimo’s manager, Federico Rosa."

From worldathletics.org.

🧢🧢🧢 stop the cap. El G is a far superior doper than Bekele but thats it. Lets refer to some WA scores associated to a few WRs

El Gerrouj

1500m | 3:26.00 | 1306

Bekele

5000m | 12:37.35 | 1294

10000m | 26:17.53 | 1295

Marathon | 2:01:41 | 1315

Cheptegei

5000m | 12:35.36 | 1302

10000m | 26:11.00 | 1306

Fyi a 25:50 is worth 1340 pts, which would make it equivalent to Karsten Warholm's WR.

And Jakob's 1500m pr is equivalent to a 26:33, which is Kiplimo's pr.

And Cheptegei's 10000m wr is just as impressive as the 1500m wr.

OozmaKappa wrote:

🧢🧢🧢 stop the cap. El G is a far superior doper than Bekele but thats it. Lets refer to some WA scores associated to a few WRs

El Gerrouj

1500m | 3:26.00 | 1306

Bekele

5000m | 12:37.35 | 1294

10000m | 26:17.53 | 1295

Marathon | 2:01:41 | 1315

Cheptegei

5000m | 12:35.36 | 1302

10000m | 26:11.00 | 1306

Fyi a 25:50 is worth 1340 pts, which would make it equivalent to Karsten Warholm's WR.

And Jakob's 1500m pr is equivalent to a 26:33, which is Kiplimo's pr.

And Cheptegei's 10000m wr is just as impressive as the 1500m wr.

^

OozmaKappa wrote:

🧢🧢🧢 stop the cap. El G is a far superior doper than Bekele but thats it.

Isn't you that was saying yesterday that your American 1500m turtle was better than Ingerbrigsten? I have seen more stupid comments from you trying desperately to bash the Norwegian runner .

Keep inventing stories and good luck.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Kiplimo is great.

Kiplimo is simply another African pearl lost du to bad environment and lack sufficient support. How many Athing Mu and others Sifan Hassan are lost in this old continent the birth of the world?

As much as I like Kiplimo over Ingerbritsten, I gotta go with the white guy on this one (sorry Kip). I'll agree that the 5k/10k fields were stronger, however Kiplimo definitely underperformed. If he medaled in both, with at least a silver I would say Kiplimo was the stronger performer, but he didn't he went 3rd/5th while white privilege got 1st in his event. Also Jakob ran a way faster 5k, that also happens to be the world lead, which is just the nail in the coffin for Kiplimo.

Passant wrote:

OozmaKappa wrote:

🧢🧢🧢 stop the cap. El G is a far superior doper than Bekele but thats it.

Isn't you that was saying yesterday that your American 1500m turtle was better than Ingerbrigsten? I have seen more stupid comments from you trying desperately to bash the Norwegian runner .

Keep inventing stories and good luck.

Read this thread -- the clowns claiming that ingebrigtsen is a better runner than Kiplimo solely because of his Olympic gold -- to understand why he started that thread.

Laziness is not a good trait.

Let it Rupp wrote:

As much as I like Kiplimo over Ingerbritsten, I gotta go with the white guy on this one (sorry Kip). I'll agree that the 5k/10k fields were stronger, however Kiplimo definitely underperformed. If he medaled in both, with at least a silver I would say Kiplimo was the stronger performer, but he didn't he went 3rd/5th while white privilege got 1st in his event. Also Jakob ran a way faster 5k, that also happens to be the world lead, which is just the nail in the coffin for Kiplimo.

So your argument is that the Norwegian dude is the better prospect because he got a better medal in the Olympics?

Jakob's fiance is gorgeous. Isn't Kiplimo a virgin?