Coevett wrote:
On THAT track and in THOSE shoes! There should be an asterix over the gold medal winners at these games. The COVID games.
Coevett wrote:
On THAT track and in THOSE shoes! There should be an asterix over the gold medal winners at these games. The COVID games.
High hopes wrote:
Willis has a habit of making big calls that don't pan out. Kessler to make the team, Hocker to win a medal, etc. I'll take this with a pinch of salt
This. Willis is not an authority on predictions anymore for me. Surprising, how someone of his caliber can get this many things wrong.
Prior to this season, Hocker had never been to an NCAA indoor championships. He went there and won won two titles.
He'd never been to an NCAA outdoor championships. He went there and won the 1,500m.
He had never been to the US National Championships/Olympic Trials and was able to win that race.
He'd never been to the Olympics but was able to execute, make the final and PR.
Hocker had never been in a <3:30 race. Now he has. Given one more opportunity on fresh legs and a singular focus of running fast, I wouldn't put it past him to sneak under 3:30.
One characteristic for Hocker's success is that he's learned to adapt and execute in every given situation.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Gonna call cap on that one. Thats major american copium, Hocker is not in shape to run sub 3:30. His SB before the Olympics was 3:33 if you convert his mile from February. He spent less time training this year and more time racing than the rest of his competition, it's remarkable he managed to lower his PB to 3:31 in the final given all this. You could not have reasonably expected Hocker to do better than he did.
Its gonna take at least another training cycle before Hocker can go sub 3:30.
He's still 2 secs slower than Willis, who was a double Olympic medallist. No guarantees Hocker will get to that level.
Les wrote:
Don't know about sub-3:30 but Hocker can certainly run faster considering he had to run two rounds of the 1500 before the final.
Sometimes athletes run their career fastest times in a championship after several rounds: Elliott in Rome and Keino in Mexico.
Armstronglivs wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Gonna call cap on that one. Thats major american copium, Hocker is not in shape to run sub 3:30. His SB before the Olympics was 3:33 if you convert his mile from February. He spent less time training this year and more time racing than the rest of his competition, it's remarkable he managed to lower his PB to 3:31 in the final given all this. You could not have reasonably expected Hocker to do better than he did.
Its gonna take at least another training cycle before Hocker can go sub 3:30.
He's still 2 secs slower than Willis, who was a double Olympic medallist. No guarantees Hocker will get to that level.
We all know Hocker is a 3:35 guy. or is that a 3:33 guy? or a 3:31 guy?
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Another giver of +1 wrote:
The Dirty Duck wrote:
He ran 3:31.3 on a hot day after running two hard 1500s in the previous 4 days? No way he could run faster on a better day with fresh legs?
3:31.40 not 3:31.3. So 2.4 seconds away from 3:29.0 and there are no Mondo 1-2% tracks in the US.
It sounds like we just had a miscommunication, and you asked Nick and I all agree that he is in shape to run under 3:30 in the right race.
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Another giver of +1 wrote:
The Dirty Duck wrote:
He ran 3:31.3 on a hot day after running two hard 1500s in the previous 4 days? No way he could run faster on a better day with fresh legs?
3:31.40 not 3:31.3. So 2.4 seconds away from 3:29.0 and there are no Mondo 1-2% tracks in the US.
So 1.5 seconds away from 3:29.9...you need help with your math there bud.
LOL at all the "Hocker is just a 3:35 guy" trolls still out there in the bushes, throwing little branches and hooting like the faceless monkeys they are.
Soy What? wrote:
Another giver of +1 wrote:
3:31.40 not 3:31.3. So 2.4 seconds away from 3:29.0 and there are no Mondo 1-2% tracks in the US.
So 1.5 seconds away from 3:29.9...you need help with your math there bud.
LOL at all the "Hocker is just a 3:35 guy" trolls still out there in the bushes, throwing little branches and hooting like the faceless monkeys they are.
But it is actually funny, though. Downright hilarious. I will crack up every time I see someone referencing that meme. Because so many kept saying he's a 3:35 guy before the Olympics and all the sensible people knew better.
shhhhhh..... we know something you dont know. Cole is not a 3'33 guy
there are some cool shots here. theres no shortage of fan support in the seats.
Nobody has a crystal ball, but it is obvious that he gives intelligent insight. Athletics are almost always unpredictable, no matter who is making the calls. Hope he continues on with this type of thing and maybe we will see him in the booth in the future.
Would be great to hear him on the Letsrun pod. Perhaps he was already on there before I became a regular listener?
Great recap. His point on Kipsang wasting energy was very accurate as well. Will be interesting to see what he does in the next year or two.
On the down side, Hocker had plenty of 3:28-29 guys to follow in an incredibly well-paced race on a super fast track and he couldn't hang with them, although tactics were partly to blame (you have got to put yourself up among the top six early on if you want to break 3:30). On the up side, he had two heats including a 3:33 pr in his legs and it was hot and muggy. If he has not already lost shape from resting for a peak, he could conceivably run 3:29-30 with really good pacing in perfect conditions fresh, but I don't think 3:29 will happen until next year.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
On the down side, Hocker had plenty of 3:28-29 guys to follow in an incredibly well-paced race on a super fast track and he couldn't hang with them, although tactics were partly to blame (you have got to put yourself up among the top six early on if you want to break 3:30). On the up side, he had two heats including a 3:33 pr in his legs and it was hot and muggy. If he has not already lost shape from resting for a peak, he could conceivably run 3:29-30 with really good pacing in perfect conditions fresh, but I don't think 3:29 will happen until next year.
Him not being entered in Pre at the moment is not a great sign for the idea of him continuing to race this season. It's on his home track and is a perfect racing prospect. I'm dubious of Nick's claim here. On paper it makes sense ~ 2 races beforehand, very hot conditions etc. But that being said, he was fully peaked on a super-fast track, it was a well-paced race overall and he executed very well. Sub 3:31 I'll buy he could run in Monaco, but sub-3:30 is a bit too lofty to just assume.
