^ Bad formatting on previous post. This is my part:
Tim only made the Kenyan team on a technicality after finishing fourth at the trials. He obviously hasn't been running at his best year due to his hamstring issues. And Jakob wasn't coming off an injury in Monaco, it was a sore throat.
Finance Bro wrote:
I think Jakob proved today that he is decidedly the best 1500m runner in the world. Nearly matched Tim’s PB in the Olympic final. If not for his illness Jakob would have beaten Tim at Monaco too based on how well he’s run this year when healthy.
Tim’s reign is over. Jakob’s reign has begun, but we’ll see how long it lasts with all the young talent behind him.
I think Jakob will need to win more than one race to have a “reign”. Let’s see about how Tim is feeling this weekend.
Star wrote:
This is way different than Kiprop’s poor races.
Cheruiyot ran well.
But Cheruiyot started poorly. As JohnnyS mentioned above, Cheruiyot gave away time at the start (with an exceptionally poor reaction to the starting gun).
Kiprop was a head case in 2016. Cheruiyot lost to a prodigy. There is no shame in that. If Kenyans keep sending waves of frontrunner types they'll win more than their share.
I would worry more about the steeplechasers. That was kind of pathetic, with no chance at a Kenyan gold medalist in either race once it reached the backstretch of the final lap.
French D wrote:
"I think Jakob will need to win more than one race to have a “reign”. Let’s see about how Tim is feeling this weekend."
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You still not get it: Jakob has with another year of steady progression passed Tim.
Tim ran the second fastest Olympic 1500m ever; faster than in Doha 2019. Tim´s problem was that the Norwegian teenager from Doha had 2 more years of mainly aerobic training under his belt.
You are so biased that you before the Olympic final didn´t even consider Jakob a medal contender!
I predict that a healthy Jakob won´t lose again to Tim in a race of importance.
booj wrote:
You still not get it: Jakob has with another year of steady progression passed Tim.
Tim ran the second fastest Olympic 1500m ever; faster than in Doha 2019. Tim´s problem was that the Norwegian teenager from Doha had 2 more years of mainly aerobic training under his belt.
I predict that a healthy Jakob won´t lose again to Tim in a race of importance.
Interesting, Tim’s coach sees things differently.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10800711El Keniano wrote:
booj wrote:
You still not get it: Jakob has with another year of steady progression passed Tim.
Tim ran the second fastest Olympic 1500m ever; faster than in Doha 2019. Tim´s problem was that the Norwegian teenager from Doha had 2 more years of mainly aerobic training under his belt.
I predict that a healthy Jakob won´t lose again to Tim in a race of importance.
Interesting, Tim’s coach sees things differently.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10800711
Are Kenyans becoming as bad as Americans for talking up hype now? Leave the racing for the track, you don't run with your mouth.
Despacitoe's Toes wrote:
Are Kenyans becoming as bad as Americans for talking up hype now? Leave the racing for the track, you don't run with your mouth.[/quote]
Can you point to a single Kenyan who runs their mouth?
El Keniano wrote:
… and failed to win. Kip Keino 1968, Peter Rono 1988, Noah Ngeny 2000 and Asbel Kiprop 2008 were all unexpected against heavily favoured rivals.
How do we rid ourselves of this hoodoo?
Are you talking about the last three Olympics? So convicted doper Kiprop in 2012 and 2016? And as far as Tim being the best in the world, Jakob just proved otherwise. No luck there. If Tim beats him the next few times, then you can say that, not before.
Another way of looking it is that Kenya has NEVER had the best (unconvicted doper) 1500m runner in the world, and yet through amazing luck has won Olympic Gold twice (Kip Kenio only because of altitude and Peter Rono because the entire top 10 at the time were carrying injuries or absent).
vehd72 wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
… and failed to win. Kip Keino 1968, Peter Rono 1988, Noah Ngeny 2000 and Asbel Kiprop 2008 were all unexpected against heavily favoured rivals.
How do we rid ourselves of this hoodoo?
Are you talking about the last three Olympics? So convicted doper Kiprop in 2012 and 2016? And as far as Tim being the best in the world, Jakob just proved otherwise. No luck there. If Tim beats him the next few times, then you can say that, not before.
Another way of looking it is that Kenya has NEVER had the best (unconvicted doper) 1500m runner in the world, and yet through amazing luck has won Olympic Gold twice (Kip Kenio only because of altitude and Peter Rono because the entire top 10 at the time were carrying injuries or absent).
Kenya often has has the best or 2nd best 1500m runner in the world, Coevett, please don't cry because of that.
vehd72 wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
… and failed to win. Kip Keino 1968, Peter Rono 1988, Noah Ngeny 2000 and Asbel Kiprop 2008 were all unexpected against heavily favoured rivals.
How do we rid ourselves of this hoodoo?
Are you talking about the last three Olympics? So convicted doper Kiprop in 2012 and 2016? And as far as Tim being the best in the world, Jakob just proved otherwise. No luck there. If Tim beats him the next few times, then you can say that, not before.
Another way of looking it is that Kenya has NEVER had the best (unconvicted doper) 1500m runner in the world, and yet through amazing luck has won Olympic Gold twice (Kip Kenio only because of altitude and Peter Rono because the entire top 10 at the time were carrying injuries or absent).
It's KEINO, ffs Coevett.
Kiprop was maybe the best 1500 runner ever capacity-wise but was also the worst tactician ever. Tim megachoked by giving away .5 in the start and then blasting 1k taking all the wind resistance.
vehd72 wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
… and failed to win. Kip Keino 1968, Peter Rono 1988, Noah Ngeny 2000 and Asbel Kiprop 2008 were all unexpected against heavily favoured rivals.
How do we rid ourselves of this hoodoo?
Are you talking about the last three Olympics? So convicted doper Kiprop in 2012 and 2016? And as far as Tim being the best in the world, Jakob just proved otherwise. No luck there. If Tim beats him the next few times, then you can say that, not before.
Another way of looking it is that Kenya has NEVER had the best (unconvicted doper) 1500m runner in the world, and yet through amazing luck has won Olympic Gold twice (Kip Kenio only because of altitude and Peter Rono because the entire top 10 at the time were carrying injuries or absent).
You sound a little benighted so I'll spell it out for you. Even without Kiprop, Silas Kiplagat was in the 2012 Olympics. Elijah Manangoi injured himself in the heats in Rio 2016 and in form Ronald Kwemoi literally fell over in the final; Tim has struggled with a hamstring this season yet still has the year's fastest time. Yes, he's the best 1500m in the world until he loses a string of races.
El Keniano wrote:
vehd72 wrote:
Are you talking about the last three Olympics? So convicted doper Kiprop in 2012 and 2016? And as far as Tim being the best in the world, Jakob just proved otherwise. No luck there. If Tim beats him the next few times, then you can say that, not before.
Another way of looking it is that Kenya has NEVER had the best (unconvicted doper) 1500m runner in the world, and yet through amazing luck has won Olympic Gold twice (Kip Kenio only because of altitude and Peter Rono because the entire top 10 at the time were carrying injuries or absent).
You sound a little benighted so I'll spell it out for you. Even without Kiprop, Silas Kiplagat was in the 2012 Olympics. Elijah Manangoi injured himself in the heats in Rio 2016 and in form Ronald Kwemoi literally fell over in the final; Tim has struggled with a hamstring this season yet still has the year's fastest time. Yes, he's the best 1500m in the world until he loses a string of races.
You're lucky that you got a huge doping advantage over the rest of the world for 3 decades.
You're lucky you weren't banned after 100 doping busts.
You're lucky that Europe became obsessed by football and other pro sports from triathlon to MMA.
cramberrys wrote:
Kiprop was maybe the best 1500 runner ever capacity-wise but was also the worst tactician ever. Tim megachoked by giving away .5 in the start and then blasting 1k taking all the wind resistance.
A guy who can only run 3:35 full of EPO at 28 is not the best 1500m runner ever.
vehd72 wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
You sound a little benighted so I'll spell it out for you. Even without Kiprop, Silas Kiplagat was in the 2012 Olympics. Elijah Manangoi injured himself in the heats in Rio 2016 and in form Ronald Kwemoi literally fell over in the final; Tim has struggled with a hamstring this season yet still has the year's fastest time. Yes, he's the best 1500m in the world until he loses a string of races.
You're lucky that you got a huge doping advantage over the rest of the world for 3 decades.
You're lucky you weren't banned after 100 doping busts.
You're lucky that Europe became obsessed by football and other pro sports from triathlon to MMA.
Yawn 🥱 Same old excuses, Coevett. What's your ban for this time, by the way? Did you, by any chance, slander RoJo with a stalking accusation? I hope he sics the Letsrun lawyers on you.
Tim took off easy to let others take the first lap lead and then went to the front. It wasn't a choke. It was his strategy that day. With Tim Sein, I doubt that takes place today.
1500m at the Olympics since 1968:
1968 - Favourite: Jim Ryun 🇺🇸; Winner: Kip Keino 🇰🇪
1972 - Favorite(s): Jim Ryun 🇺🇸 / Kip Keino 🇰🇪; Winner: Pekka Vasala 🇫🇮
1976 (boycotted) - Favourite: Ivo van Damme 🇧🇪; Winner: John Walker 🇳🇿
1980 (boycotted) - Favourite: Steve Ovett 🇬🇧; Winner: Sebastian Coe 🇬🇧
1984 (boycotted) - Favourite: Steve Ovett 🇬🇧; Winner: Sebastian Coe 🇬🇧
1988 - Favourite(s): Steve Cram 🇬🇧; Winner: Peter Rono 🇰🇪
1992 - Favourite: Nourredine Morcelli 🇩🇿; Winner: Fermin Cacho 🇪🇸
1996 - Favourite: Hicham El Guerrouj 🇲🇦; Winner: Nourredine Morcelli 🇩🇿
2000 - Favourite: Hicham El Guerrouj 🇲🇦; Winner: Noah Ngeny 🇰🇪
2004 - Favourite: Bernard Lagat 🇰🇪; Winner: Hicham El Guerrouj 🇲🇦
2008 - Favourite: Rashid Ramzi 🇧🇭; Winner: Asbel Kiprop 🇰🇪 (Ramzi DQ)
2012 - Favourite(s): Asbel Kiprop 🇰🇪/ Silas Kiplagat 🇰🇪; Winner: Taoufik Makhloufi 🇩🇿
2016 - Favourite(s): Asbel Kiprop 🇰🇪/ Elijah Manangoi 🇰🇪/ Ronald Kwemoi 🇰🇪; Winner: Matthew Centrowitz 🇺🇸
2021 - Favourite: Timothy Cheruiyot 🇰🇪; Winner: Jakob Ingebrigtsen 🇳🇴
The best runner hasn't won in 50 years, who'll go into Paris 2024 as favourite?
El Keniano wrote:
vehd72 wrote:
You're lucky that you got a huge doping advantage over the rest of the world for 3 decades.
You're lucky you weren't banned after 100 doping busts.
You're lucky that Europe became obsessed by football and other pro sports from triathlon to MMA.
Yawn 🥱 Same old excuses, Coevett. What's your ban for this time, by the way? Did you, by any chance, slander RoJo with a stalking accusation? I hope he sics the Letsrun lawyers on you.
What are you talking about you weirdo? Is this projection? You were angry that RoJo refers to Tim as 'potato Tim' so you made up a false and ridiculous claim of him 'stalking' somebody on his podcast?
The same kind of psychopathic projection that leads you to claim that Cleo is me when even your simpleton doping apologist fans here can clearly see it is obviously you?
^ You're fooling no one. Also, I'm 99.9% certain Cleo is either you or trollism. Especially given the way she recently started parroting my posts here. Feeble attempt to make it look like it's me.