quark wrote:
The Africans are no longer dominating the event.
The Africans have not dominating in the event for a long time. Just just had two or three outstanding (and some doping) athletes.
Most talent in Kenya and Ethiopia is being funneled to the roads now.
Coevett wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Ok. I’m over my disappointment mainly because I see Tim is taking it in his stride. No self-imposed time-out necessary. But sadly for Tim, I don’t see anyone beating Elijah Mangoi in Paris. I actually felt worse when Matt Centrowitz upset Asbel.
Manangoi will be 31 in Paris (the same age Jakob will be at the 2032 Olympics). WADA will be watching him like a hawk. You may as well predict a Kiprop gold medal in 24.
But yeah, this was probably the cleanest 1500 final for 40 years, so we should savor it as it might be back to normal by 2024.
Just because you don’t see them on the Dismond League doesn’t mean no one’s coming through the ranks. Kenyans have to jump through multiple hoops just to get noticed then invited. Kamar Etyang (18) and Elias Ngeny (early 20s) have never run abroad.
Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
Kenya is struggling to compete.
1st and 2nd in the 800. 2nd and 4th in the 1500.
What a struggle for Kenya, lolz.
3:29.33 Asbel KIPROP 30 JUN 1989 KEN KEN 1 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 05 JUN 2016 1254
2 3:30.49 Ronald KWEMOI 19 SEP 1995 KEN KEN 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 15 JUL 2016 1238
3 3:31.19 Elijah Motonei MANANGOI 05 JAN 1993 KEN KEN 2 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 15 JUL 2016 1228
4 3:31.34 Timothy CHERUIYOT 20 NOV 1995 KEN KEN 1 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 09 SEP 2016 1226
5 3:31.35 Taoufik MAKHLOUFI 29 APR 1988 ALG ALG 3 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 15 JUL 2016 1226
6 3:31.40 Abdelaati IGUIDER 25 MAR 1987 MAR MAR 2 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 09 SEP 2016 1225
7 3:31.68 Ayanleh SOULEIMAN 03 DEC 1992 DJI DJI 1f1 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 16 JUL 2016 1221
8 3:31.74 Mo FARAH 23 MAR 1983 GBR GBR 5 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 15 JUL 2016 1220
9 3:32.13 Ryan GREGSON 26 APR 1990 AUS AUS 7 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 15 JUL 2016 1215
10 3:32.43 Filip INGEBRIGTSEN
cramberrys wrote:
Also gutted for him. Did he wait for .3-4 at the line just to bait in McSweyn and Jakob to take the pace out? If so, why tf did he blast past Jakob in the lead after 400m? He had the potential to win today, but Jakob was amazing today and when Jakob got to draft he was way stronger over the last 100.
Poor decision by Tim to take over… Jakob was willing to serve as a pace maker to make it a fast one and guarantee himself a medal. The best tactic would have been to sit on him the whole way. Either this was just a spontaneous tactical error, or Tim figured he would also secure a medal this way.
El Keniano wrote:
This is the one gold medal I was hoping for if Kenya won nothing else. Will need a few days to get over this. The 1500m drought continues.
Yeah. I go home deflated, defeated and devastated.
Why do you feel the need to write something like this? Cheruiyot is a fantastic runner who was defeated today by one - despite his young age - of the greats in middle and long distance running. J. Ingebrigtsen was better today, he set an European and Olympic record. Why can't you just appreciate this? Tim Cheruiyot is the 8th fastest 1500m runner in history, J. Ingebrigtsen now the 7th fastest. I wait to see them race again in Zurich and or Brussels in a few weeks. Or next year.
Yes, Tim should have granted Jacob his wish and let him lead the whole way. Jacob's stress would have increased significantly. If he slowed it would have brought Kerr closer to the front sooner and Kerr might have won under those circumstances.
Hocker gets a medal for clean athletes in that race. Potato man, Jakob and the Spanish guy are definitely Saucing. Not sure about the others.
Steve The Addict^^^^^^^------- wrote:
Hocker gets a medal for clean athletes in that race. Potato man, Jakob and the Spanish guy are definitely Saucing. Not sure about the others.
The more I see comments like this in this site, the more I'm comforted with the idea that we are dealing with losers.
I was happy to see Jakob win but also devastated for Tim as I am a huge fan of both. I don’t get the animosity towards him by some on these boards. He’s a humble guy and a class act.
atlas_ran wrote:
Yes, Tim should have granted Jacob his wish and let him lead the whole way. Jacob's stress would have increased significantly. If he slowed it would have brought Kerr closer to the front sooner and Kerr might have won under those circumstances.
The pace wasn’t going to slow much in either scenario and Kerr would still not be in contention for gold. Sit and kick would have favored Tim plus a few well positioned kickers with slower PBs. Jacob knew he’d go home with at least a silver by goosing the field.
I'm interested in watching Abel Kipsang's progression going foward. Going from 3:35 to 3:29 in his first year of running the 1500 is impressive.
clean dominance my foot! most,if not all of the guys in that race would have been on EPO and other stuff .theres no such thing as clean at that leval in athletics.
Tim gave Jakob a knitted armband after the run. Asked if this meant something Tim said - Yeah, it means the leader.
Class act, which Jakob acknowledged as well.
Others, like Gjert says Tim will never beat Jakob again.
About that I am not so sure.
i believe the wristband is swahili for MF
high school xc coach wrote:
i believe the wristband is swahili for MF
Haha. No. Tim is very down to earth(!)
The psychic factor is important in the races.
Jakob had it while Cheruiyot didn't.
I was expecting a fail of Cheruiyot.
Jacob used almost the same tactic used by El Bakkali in the 3000m steeplechases.
These times are also influenced by the new technologies (spike shoes?).
macdaddy, the wrote:
Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
Kenya is struggling to compete.
1st and 2nd in the 800. 2nd and 4th in the 1500.
What a struggle for Kenya, lolz.
for most countries that great, but not for kenya.
I think Tim should not have took over, but maybe he thought Jakob was going to run a 56.5-57.5 and that was too slow to separate…I think if he wants to lead he should blast the first lap and force a decision. Nobody ever runs faster off of suicidal first laps of 53.5-55. It’s not a style Jakob enjoys either. Too even a race in this one and Jakob was in his wheelhouse. I don’t think this rivalry is done Coevett and definitely not for Kenya. Tim had an uneven season and now will potentially have an improving Keter and Elijah Manangoi (I know you’re dubious) to push him in training. Kipsang is a huge talent and the Kenyan second biggest placer performed well on the circuit before running the most impressive of the top 4 at Trials (Simotwo pipped him but he pushed the pace and led a lot)
Kipsang has a bright future. Tim was hampered by his hamstring, I believe , and will be back.