Cheptegai wins the 5000m with ONLY a 55.10 last lap. Would have lost to Jakob easily.

My title has been edited with a "would have lost easily to Jakob".

Who has done that lol?

5000mLegend wrote:

My title has been edited with a "would have lost easily to Jakob".

Who has done that lol?

Heh absurd clickbait title. Jakob does not win this race, let alone easily.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

5000mLegend wrote:

My title has been edited with a "would have lost easily to Jakob".

Who has done that lol?

Heh absurd clickbait title. Jakob does not win this race, let alone easily.

I thought he would have won. Cheptegai poor finish can't beat Jakob in a race like that unless the norwegian is previously destroyed by a quick pace. It was quick but not amazing.

I don't think Jakob would even medal in the hot and humid conditions, simply too big. Were any of the top 3 over 125 lbs?

Clickbait hah, Jakob lost his last 1500 to Katir, and barely beat his over 5000m. No evidence he would have featured. He's amazing and hope he manages something in the insane 1500 as he has given a lot of entertainment, but zero guarantee there either.

5000mLegend wrote:

Wow.

Great for him.

But Jakob, Edris and Barega, would have all beaten him easily.

Without even talking about , the old great like Bekele, Hicham, Mo Farah or Kipchoge and Lagat.

Another expert that knows it all…

The conditions played a part. Even Katir had nothing left. Still, the field wasn't as strong as usual. Cheptegei himself had heel issues in training and wasn't the equal of his 2020 self. This is a race that Mo in his prime would have won easily, and the absence of Gebrhiwet, Edris, Jakob, and Barega really showed. Barega would have taken this. Not considering weather, Jakob had much more change of pace in a 12:48 to take this, but it's fairly likely the weather would have sapped him. Chelimo you have to like even if he did cut off his two teammates in the Trials race. He can't win these races somehow but he is always there at the end putting every last bit of himself into it and medalling time after time.

Hypotheticals are just that, great as some of those GOATs were. Cheptegai ran within half a second of the OR, so it is a stretch to confidently claim that anyone in the world, even throughout history, could’ve beaten him. It’s possible of course, as most hypotheticals are, but the data suggests that it would’ve been far from easy. But really, at the end of the day, anyone not in that race today doesn’t count. Be it Geb, Bekele, Tergat, Kipchoge, Farah, Ingebrigsten, Barega or what not.

If we are comparing best times as opposed to an Olympic match, Cheptegai already has it.

Nah wrote:

Clickbait hah, Jakob lost his last 1500 to Katir, and barely beat his over 5000m. No evidence he would have featured. He's amazing and hope he manages something in the insane 1500 as he has given a lot of entertainment, but zero guarantee there either.

Jakob crushed Katir and a great field in that 5000m in 12:48 with plenty in reserve.

Yes this race was in searing heat and it was fast with varied tempos. The top 4 are strength runners with huge toughness. The bigger 1500/5000 guys were not to be found.

5000mLegend wrote:

For comparisons purpose

1996! Niyongabo last lap: 54:93

2000: Wolde last lap : 53:83

2004: El Guerrouj last lap : 52:93

2008: Bekele last lap: 53"87 (OR race)

2012: Farah last lap: 52:94

2016: Farah last lap: 52:84

He is by far the slowest, even slower than in 1996!!!

You are basing it on last lap alone. He wound it up before then… look at the last 3 laps

In track & field, "would" and "could" count for nothing, completely irrelevant. You can only win the race you are in!

2:56 last 1200 meters in a sub 13 race in that kind of heat and humidity might be the greatest 5000 meter race of all time. I’m not sure Bekele, Farah, or El G could have beaten Cheptegei in this one let alone Ingebritsen or Barega.

I think Chelimo and Ahmed might be in 12:40 type shape right now in the right conditions. Kiplimo and Katir way behind as well indicating the quality of this race.

TL wrote:

"Barega I’ll give you but really no guarantees on the other two. Very rough conditions for 5,000. And it wasn’t just the last 400."

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You have no trust in Jakob! He beat the gold and silver medallist easily in the DL Florens 5000m (in a watered down field according to you) and Jakob has never lost to the bronce medallist.

The only reason Jakob shouldn´t win is the hot humid weather.

5000mLegend wrote:

koyPond wrote:

Nice, dodging the question because it would prove your wrong.

I don't dodge anything. If you have datas provide them, if not, shut up.

You are wrong… too many factors to consider. Heat humidity competition penultimate lap plus he wasn’t challenged. Remember here this woulda coulda shoulda. It’s like saying the 2015 warriors could beat the 96 Bulls. Pointless we will never know

stevengardiner wrote:

Jakob would not have stood a chance, which is why he ducked the big boys. Too bad he's going to get smacked in the 1500 as well.

How do you know all this?

1. Would not have stood a chance. Well we don't know, do we?

2. Which is why? Clearly not true. But that doesn't matter.

3. May be, may be not. But we would be surprised if he don't get a medal. On that we can agree. Right?

It's about the whole race you dumb ass, not the last lap. You just need to criticize because you can't help yourself. Get a life!

Exactly guys is not just about the last lap. Previous laps and weather will predict the last lap.

Don’t forget most Mo’s titles came from pedestrian races with fast last laps. Lagat once ran a 50 sec lap still run like around 13 or under I can’t remember exact time.

michiganrunner55 wrote:

5000mLegend wrote:

For comparisons purpose

1996! Niyongabo last lap: 54:93

2000: Wolde last lap : 53:83

2004: El Guerrouj last lap : 52:93

2008: Bekele last lap: 53"87 (OR race)

2012: Farah last lap: 52:94

2016: Farah last lap: 52:84

He is by far the slowest, even slower than in 1996!!!

You are basing it on last lap alone. He wound it up before then… look at the last 3 laps

He's right; only the last lap counts. That's why Centro would have won every 1500m in Olympic history.