Alberto Salazar banned for life - aka "permanently ineligible" - by SafeSport

786ytrbnc wrote:

Is anything stopping Al from staging a comeback? His ban says 'coaching,' not 'pulling away from Kipchoge at 22 miles.'

? Maybe the heart attacks?

1- Anyone can make a report to safesport against ANYTHING that they view as inappropriate. You see or hear something you can report it which can be very dangerous

2- If other members of NOP confirmed what Cain was saying why didn't they step in when it was happening? Why didn't they help her? If they witnessed this abuse aren't they in a way guilty as well and should also face sanctions?

bsbsbs wrote:

Pretty sure Kara Goucher has claimed he made advances on her when drunk

Kara Goucher has zero credibility. She lies all the time.

From the SS website: The U.S. Center for SafeSport is an independent nonprofit committed to building a sport community where participants can work and learn together free of emotional, physical and sexual abuse and misconduct.

If you make a report to SS it will be either sent to USATF for investigation or it will be investigated by SS. Sexual assault reports or any cases involving sexual misconduct with minors or any egregious misconduct cases stay at SS and are investigated. The case will go to legal entities first if the statute of limitations is still in effect. If the statute of limitations has expired, SS investigators will conduct an investigation which can last months. If legal entities say nothing can be done on the criminal side then SS investigates the case for credibility.

By the time a decision has been handed down as Salazar's was today, the report from the investigator goes to the claimants and the respondent so the facts of the case are known to those who made the report and to the coach who engaged in the misconduct. It's not secret. In this case, USATF is tasked with carrying out enforcement of the sanction against Salazar.

Not too sure what is dangerous about this unless you consider the truth to be dangerous. There are a whole lot of coaches out there wondering if the other shoe is ever going to drop on them, wondering if the truth of what they did to athletes will see the light of day.

Maybe those detectives discovered something(s) after all…….

What jurisprudence do they use to make these judgements?

Unchallenged twitter posts of victims?

I agree about trying to straighten out this stuff. I think probably avoiding coed relationships like this in the first place probably allows the most realistic path to do so.

OregonJuiceGuzzler wrote:

AL SAL

Post your workout instructions here. Together us elites and hobby joggers alike will follow your training and there will be nothing some bureaucrats can do about it!

I await your instructions, sir!

Nice try, Rupp.

Investigators interview and investigate claimants who provide dates, times, places, other names and any other materials supporting and corroborating their claims. Local law enforcement is brought in if warranted as is the FBI and state attorney general office in the state where misconduct took place.

If a claim is made against a coach and other women step forward in the course of that investigation then the investigation grows. To be declared permanently ineligible means there is some serious evidence of misconduct that is indisputable.

If law enforcement can not move ahead, then SS investigates for violations of its code. Thus Salazar is not in any legal or criminal trouble. He is however deemed forever ineligible to be part of the USOPC, etc. He has ten business days to appeal the decision.

#freesalazar wrote:

Isn't this the same Mary Cain stuff from Fall 2020?

I don't think there was anything remotely sexual.

He called somebody fat. I think that is the gist of it.He should be banned for the crazy doping dry-run sh!t, but otherwise, Salazar's name is being dragged through the mud.

They are upset that he told women that needed to lose weight. You can only tell men to lose weight if you are a man.

How are these bans decided on? Why aren’t there clearer rules? Seems like AS was banned the first time for “gray area” infractions and now SS making a judgement call because he was “emotionally abusive.” IMO a sensitive teen like MC should never have been in a top tier program for pros to begin with and that’s on her parents and probably a little on AlSal for taking her on when he didn’t really have a program for teens. But come on… like him or not, are we just banning whoever we want for life based on subjectivity?

Speaking to the SS side of things and not WADA/USADA: Salazar was temporarily suspended in January 2020. The decision handed down yesterday ends his temporary suspension.

To understand SS's procedures, go read about them. They are there in black and white on SS website.

If you want to know what happened such that Salazar was deemed permanently ineligible ask him to release his copy of the investigative report which he received yesterday.

AW Red and White wrote:

Speaking to the SS side of things and not WADA/USADA: Salazar was temporarily suspended in January 2020. The decision handed down yesterday ends his temporary suspension.

Indeed. And the decision came after some 15 months of investigating, not exactly hasty as other posters falsely claimed.

Speaking to the USADA side of things: Salazar was not banned for "gray area", but for three different anti-doping rule violations, namely (in brief): using a forbidden method, tampering, and applying testosterone.

If Safe Sport is going to publicly "ban" Salazar then out of fairness to the process it should also make public their report to show their evidence and which rules were broken. This transparency would give the organization credibility in these matters.

Salazar can make that report public. So can the claimants. There's the transparency. It's likely the final report has names of claimants that are not now public.

True story:

it was 2010 and Bill McChesney Sr has invited me to his house down in Eugene. Their walls were covered with their sons personal awards and photos etc.

Somehow we started talking about Salazar and Senior said that his son told him once that everyone should hope that Salazar would never become a coach and would either ruin athletes or get them banned.

I asked him a bit more and he and his wife stated that Salazar was called Alberto Sleazy by the guys.

There is no way I am the only person Senior told this too.

Guys they knew what the rest had to figure out 40 years later.