all over wrote:
U mean he is a Doctor and he uses that drug regularly 🤣 give him 2/4 years should know better
Yes he’s a very well respected doctor and he made an error of judgment.
Just because you’re a doctor does not mean you are infallible as is the case here.
https://instagram.com/kariemhussein?utm_medium=copy_linkIt's a banned substance on WADA'S list ..the guy is a doctor .. no excuses here imho
He regularly took lozenges for a stimulating effect. How is it possible he didn't know they were prohibited? Sounds more like he took a gamble that they weren't being tested for.
Dr K.Hussein, University of Zürich, Switzerland, arguably unfairly banned from the Tokyo Olympics for an innocent mistake in taking some lozenges.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bol-HYWDSDY/?utm_medium=copy_link
Yesterday, I was reading this paper:
SOME SPECIFIED DATES IN DOPING AND ANTI-DOPING HISTORY
Individual cases of certain importance for the history and future
Knud Jensen, 1960
Tom Simpson 1967
Ben Johnson 1988
Katrin Krabbe et al
Lance Armstrong
Maria Sharapova
German Democratic Republic
Anti‐doping work was complicated in the 1970s and 1980s by suspicions of state‐sponsored
doping practised in some countries. It has later been extremely well documented the the
German Democratic Republic (GDR) government administered doping program of its
athletes, particularly its female athletes, contributed to their domination of track & field and
swimming events for the two decades spanning the 1970s and 1980s.
From 1966 until the collapse of the German Democratic Republic in 1990, hundreds of East
German physicians and scientists performed doping research and administered prescription
drugs as well as unapproved experimental drug preparations to adult and adolescent
athletes of both sexes. From the 1960s through the 1980s, the German Democratic Republic
established a systematic doping program for thousands of their athletes that included the use
of parenteral preparations of epitestosteronepropionate to avoide detection of illicit AASs.
Side effects
Athletes from former East Germany who were given performance enhancing drugs for many
years and who consequently experienced longstanding health problems will receive
payments of several thousand euros, the German federal parliament decided on 13 June
2002. A special law has been passed which sets up a compensation fund of about EUR 2m
(GBP 1.3m; USD 1.9m). The fund is meant to be supplemented by the sports industry and by
national sports associations, but neither of these groups has been keen to join the initiative. It
is estimated that between 500 and 1000 men and women will apply for compensation by the
end of the year and will receive about EUR 3000 each. Currently, the association
representing athletes who have had health problems as a result of doping has about 150
members. Soon after the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989, it became apparent that many East
German athletes had had to pay a high price for the overwhelming success of the nation in
many disciplines. Continuous doping from a young age and for a very long time, mainly with
anabolic drugs, ruined their health. Doping was often done without the athlete's consent or
knowledge. East German trainers and doctors merely followed the socialist party's
instructions. The list of health problems is long: acne, hirsutism, deep voice, muscle tension,
gynaecomasty, breast cancer, bone deformation, vascular disease, and teratogenic
malformations. In some cases female athletes changed their sex as a result of the
continuous intake of male hormones. The association representing such athletes, a
Number 33 wrote:
He regularly took lozenges for a stimulating effect. How is it possible he didn't know they were prohibited? Sounds more like he took a gamble that they weren't being tested for.
Yes it is surprising that he is a doctor and he was not aware of the possible contraindications for this type of stimulant. However, we still believe in his innocence.
However, it’s a murky area because caffeine is also a stimulant and people drink coffee and other substances which contain caffeine. Where do you draw the line? Coca-Cola before race? A black coffee before the race? So many murky areas for the uninitiated.
Passant:
Salam Aleykum. Could you summarize the research you did with the salient points with regard to the Kariem Hussein case?
Shukran Jazilan.
Is Run Gum a PED?
The Unkle wrote:
Is Run Gum a PED?
Nick Symmonds: I've run "1.42.95 clean...only PED I use is Run Gum."
Ghost1 wrote:
However, it’s a murky area because caffeine is also a stimulant and people drink coffee and other substances which contain caffeine. Where do you draw the line? Coca-Cola before race? A black coffee before the race? So many murky areas for the uninitiated.
It's not murky when Nikethemide is listed by name on the WADA list. Caffeine is not.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content/what-is-prohibited/prohibited-in-competition/stimulantshttps://rungum.com/pages/run-gum-for-athletesThe Unkle wrote:
Is Run Gum a PED?
This. It may become a PED when you “overdose” on something like this as well as caffeine in its multitude of forms.
It's on the list , it's clear for all to see even a doctor , not sure why Ghost so keen to rewrite WADA rules maybe can can use a little energy to get his bro JS to reply and give his Viking twist
Don't godwin me, bro wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
However, it’s a murky area because caffeine is also a stimulant and people drink coffee and other substances which contain caffeine. Where do you draw the line? Coca-Cola before race? A black coffee before the race? So many murky areas for the uninitiated.
It's not murky when Nikethemide is listed by name on the WADA list. Caffeine is not.
Caffeine is listed, just as an asterik about stimulants that are NOT prohibited in-competition.
Thinking about this more, if I wanted to use nikethamide during competition and wanted a convenient alibi about why I tested positive for it, a convenient way of creating that alibi would be: 1. illegally use it prior to competition and 2. legally use it post-competition in clear view of several interested parties. Then simply claim I only tested positive because of the legal usage.
Fool-proof, right?
I have a little more sympathy for this guy than most others but the rule of strict reliability applies to every athlete.
The fact that his suspension occurs during the Olympics is an unfortunate case of bad timing.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
I have a little more sympathy for this guy than most others but the rule of strict reliability applies to every athlete.
The fact that his suspension occurs during the Olympics is an unfortunate case of bad timing.
Yes, and being a doctor, this athlete himself (Dr Kariem Hussein) should’ve been well aware of all those gray areas which were potentially dangerous, notably taking those lozenges. Just a tragic chapter in his career and I’m not sure if it’s the end of his career and whether he will have the motivation to continue.
At least, being a doctor he won’t have any problem in terms of professional accomplishments/earnings for the rest of his life, but his reputation has been somehow damaged no matter the fact that he was not ill intentioned. This might, although I’m not certain, damage his reputation as a doctor. Very tragic.
Ghost1 wrote:
Number 33 wrote:
He regularly took lozenges for a stimulating effect. How is it possible he didn't know they were prohibited? Sounds more like he took a gamble that they weren't being tested for.
Yes it is surprising that he is a doctor and he was not aware of the possible contraindications for this type of stimulant. However, we still believe in his innocence.
However, it’s a murky area because caffeine is also a stimulant and people drink coffee and other substances which contain caffeine. Where do you draw the line? Coca-Cola before race? A black coffee before the race? So many murky areas for the uninitiated.
You believe all dopers are innocent.
Ghost1 wrote:
Number 33 wrote:
He regularly took lozenges for a stimulating effect. How is it possible he didn't know they were prohibited? Sounds more like he took a gamble that they weren't being tested for.
Yes it is surprising that he is a doctor and he was not aware of the possible contraindications for this type of stimulant. However, we still believe in his innocence.
However, it’s a murky area because caffeine is also a stimulant and people drink coffee and other substances which contain caffeine. Where do you draw the line? Coca-Cola before race? A black coffee before the race? So many murky areas for the uninitiated.
Caffeine is not banned there is no grey area.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Yes it is surprising that he is a doctor and he was not aware of the possible contraindications for this type of stimulant. However, we still believe in his innocence.
However, it’s a murky area because caffeine is also a stimulant and people drink coffee and other substances which contain caffeine. Where do you draw the line? Coca-Cola before race? A black coffee before the race? So many murky areas for the uninitiated.
You believe all dopers are innocent.
Actually that’s not true, but in this case it appears that the sanction meted out to the Swiss athlete was over the top. One really feels for him.
Again the rules end up banning those who are not cheats.
Ghost1 wrote:
The Olympics are being taken away from him and he will never get that back.
That is a life-changing event and the magnitude of this will have a negative impact on the rest of his life not to mention social disapproval by people who do not research the innocent cause of this ban.
Sounds as if he should have been more careful. A 32 year old should know better.