I hope they have Shelby at this event. All they have to do is clear the track and she is free to run a streamed TT also. More would watch than normal.
I hope they have Shelby at this event. All they have to do is clear the track and she is free to run a streamed TT also. More would watch than normal.
bower man wrote:
I hope they have Shelby at this event. All they have to do is clear the track and she is free to run a streamed TT also. More would watch than normal.
You're going to have to get over SH
She ain't coming back from a 4 year ban
.....And notice, no one vocally supporting her 3 or 4 weeks ago is actively supporting her anymore. They all realize now that she is Guil to the T!
Her supporters keep getting quieter in fact.
Flannigan?? Silent
Jerry?? Hiding like a monk
Everyone is starting to realize that associating with SH just tarnishes their reputation.
....And, with ShaCarri Richardson actually owning up to her situation further makes SH look like a guilty as hell narcissist-Karen in the public eye.
Time to find a new hero bower man!
boot2327 wrote:
Crouser threw 82’ in practice. This thread is drivel.
Interesting choice using feet. No one knows what the hell that means in terms of shot put though. 25 meters puts the mark in perspective.
Anyways, yawn on the sub-3:50 mile attempt. This is what? A 3:31-3:32 type effort? Not that thrilling. I’d be much more interested in him going after a sub 3:30 1500m as that would actually mean something.
Why a 1500? I actually think this is a good idea.
If he ran a 1500 and pulls off a 3:30/3:31, confidence will be low...people will just talk junk that he has no chance.
If he pulls off a 3:49/3:50 mile, it's something to talk about. And it leaves open confidence and talk about his ability to medal again.
I'll say it again like I do too often...Centro is being underestimated. He won the Olympics against some fast guy's who could run sub 3:30. I would not count him out.
If at 5000 ft, not anywhere close to 2:50 or 2:52. 2:55 at best.
I sure hope this wasn't an all out TT. For context Joe Klecker, a 10k guy, ran a 3:58 mile at a sligtly higher altitude last summer. Makes more sense that this was a hard effort tacked on to the end of a workout.
donal3 wrote:
Why a 1500? I actually think this is a good idea.
If he ran a 1500 and pulls off a 3:30/3:31, confidence will be low...people will just talk junk that he has no chance.
If he pulls off a 3:49/3:50 mile, it's something to talk about. And it leaves open confidence and talk about his ability to medal again.
I'll say it again like I do too often...Centro is being underestimated. He won the Olympics against some fast guy's who could run sub 3:30. I would not count him out.
Well, only Coe has repeated and he's no Coe.
I will say as I do often as well. People need to stop living off that Gold Medal win. 2016 was 5 years ago. A more recent result was 2019 Worlds and he barely made the finals (only got in on time) and had to run a SB 3:32.81 just to get a well beaten 8th place. Every guy returning from that field is running faster than they were two years ago. He hasn't come near that time since. A 20 year old college runner beat him easily at Trials off a pace that should've suited him.
I just see too many red flags. If he's sandbagging all the way up to the Gold Medal he's doing a great job of hiding it.
Phil Ken Sebben wrote:
sanchobaile wrote:
He posted this on his instagram story. With the DL taking its pause, does this mean BTC is reviving its intrasquad meets as an Olympic tuneup?
Is he gonna do it at one of Engels’ rabbit meets? Maybe talk some sht to children to get pumped up.
Nothing beats a perfectly paced time trial as a tune-up for multiple rounds of championship racing.
Absolutely hilarious that you think you know better than the reigning Olympic champion when it comes to tuning up for the Olympics. Hats off to you for being you.
Yeah—and how did Centro do at WCs back in 2015, the year before he got gold?
Actually racing or time trialing a sub 3:50 attempt?
Wil it be like the Webb 3:46 with no one else really racing it?
sanchobaile wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I got the sense that it wasn't a straight up TT. He did 2.5 miles of work so presumably 1.75 miles before that rep. Park City is 7,000 feet, I have no idea what that effort translates to at sea level.
right, yes, he did say that, I forgot. I was gonna say, even with altitude adjustment, 3:00 didn't sound great, but at the end of a workout is different.
Kip Keino was 2:53 at 1200 in Mexico City (El. 7,382 ft) during his Gold Medal win. He ran the last 300 in 41 seconds (58.67 pace)
Tamburlaine wrote:
Yeah—and how did Centro do at WCs back in 2015, the year before he got gold?
What does that prove? It's 5 years later. I'll go by a more recent result.
The Original Rastus wrote:
Well, only Coe has repeated and he's no Coe.
I will say as I do often as well. People need to stop living off that Gold Medal win. 2016 was 5 years ago. A more recent result was 2019 Worlds and he barely made the finals (only got in on time) and had to run a SB 3:32.81 just to get a well beaten 8th place. Every guy returning from that field is running faster than they were two years ago. He hasn't come near that time since. A 20 year old college runner beat him easily at Trials off a pace that should've suited him.
I just see too many red flags. If he's sandbagging all the way up to the Gold Medal he's doing a great job of hiding it.
You're missing the context. In 2019, Centro was beaten by Craig Engels. In 2021 he beat Engels (who was fresh off a PR) handily and ran a very impressive final 100 and 300 for a 3:35 race. Nothing he did in 2019 at 1500 was on par with that. Josh Thompson was gaining on him in the home stretch and finished pretty close in 2019. Meanwhile this year he's trouncing guys like that and beating a guy who could solo a 3:34.6 (ask McSweyn how easy this is) in Nuguse with ease. Sure Hocker got him, but Hocker is damn good and ran one of the fastest final 100 meters in 1500 meter history at 12.20.
I'm also pretty sure if he were to win he'd be the oldest 1500 winner in Games history.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
The Original Rastus wrote:
Well, only Coe has repeated and he's no Coe.
I will say as I do often as well. People need to stop living off that Gold Medal win. 2016 was 5 years ago. A more recent result was 2019 Worlds and he barely made the finals (only got in on time) and had to run a SB 3:32.81 just to get a well beaten 8th place. Every guy returning from that field is running faster than they were two years ago. He hasn't come near that time since. A 20 year old college runner beat him easily at Trials off a pace that should've suited him.
I just see too many red flags. If he's sandbagging all the way up to the Gold Medal he's doing a great job of hiding it.
You're missing the context. In 2019, Centro was beaten by Craig Engels. In 2021 he beat Engels (who was fresh off a PR) handily and ran a very impressive final 100 and 300 for a 3:35 race. Nothing he did in 2019 at 1500 was on par with that. Josh Thompson was gaining on him in the home stretch and finished pretty close in 2019. Meanwhile this year he's trouncing guys like that and beating a guy who could solo a 3:34.6 (ask McSweyn how easy this is) in Nuguse with ease. Sure Hocker got him, but Hocker is damn good and ran one of the fastest final 100 meters in 1500 meter history at 12.20.
Are you making a joke here? US 1500 meter running is pretty non-existent. You're only as good as who you race. You can't seriously think he's beaten tough competition.
Btw, he beat Engels by 2 seconds at Worlds in 2019 so that kind of throws your timeline off.
The Original Rastus wrote:
Are you making a joke here? US 1500 meter running is pretty non-existent.
The US is one the best 1500m countries in the world.
We know Kenya is the best.
Which country is #2?
Maybe the US when you look at 1500m medals for men over the last 10 years.
The Original Rastus wrote:
Btw, he beat Engels by 2 seconds at Worlds in 2019 so that kind of throws your timeline off.
In a drag race final? Engels made the finals, and it was not the right type of race for him. Centro spanking him at USAs over last is a good sign.
Centro absolutely made Jake Hayward look like a JV runner in his 1500 opener only trying for about 100 meters in the race. Hayward also lost to Engels in that 3:33 race. Lo and behold Jake Hayward roared by Jake Wightman in Gateshead. Wightman nearly beat Josh Kerr at British Trials. Don't put the foreign runners on a pedestal besides Tim and Jakob. The rest haven't won medals like Centro, aside from a very old Makhloufi and Lewandowski, and a rusty Filip.
Oliver Hoare and Josh Kerr, we saw these guys in the NCAA system. They were fine. Hocker was better than them at age 19 than they were at 22. So again no need to make them something they're not.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
The Original Rastus wrote:
Btw, he beat Engels by 2 seconds at Worlds in 2019 so that kind of throws your timeline off.
In a drag race final? Engels made the finals, and it was not the right type of race for him. Centro spanking him at USAs over last is a good sign.
Centro absolutely made Jake Hayward look like a JV runner in his 1500 opener only trying for about 100 meters in the race. Hayward also lost to Engels in that 3:33 race. Lo and behold Jake Hayward roared by Jake Wightman in Gateshead. Wightman nearly beat Josh Kerr at British Trials. Don't put the foreign runners on a pedestal besides Tim and Jakob. The rest haven't won medals like Centro, aside from a very old Makhloufi and Lewandowski, and a rusty Filip.
Oliver Hoare and Josh Kerr, we saw these guys in the NCAA system. They were fine. Hocker was better than them at age 19 than they were at 22. So again no need to make them something they're not.
Good Lord...your 10 degrees of separation do not make for a strong argument. Centro flat out got smoked by most of the same guys he faced in Doha that he will likely be facing in Tokyo...if he makes it that far. And he's not running any faster now than he was then.
The Original Rastus wrote:
Good Lord...your 10 degrees of separation do not make for a strong argument. Centro flat out got smoked by most of the same guys he faced in Doha that he will likely be facing in Tokyo...if he makes it that far. And he's not running any faster now than he was then.
There is data from the races. Centro is running better closing splits than he has in years. Centro has a history of beating guys when it counts who have run faster than 3:31 whatever his PB or SB may be. Tim changes things if the race is a pure time trial but you are extremely overrating fancy time trial times as opposed to the eye test and the numbers that back it up as far as Centro.
Star wrote:
The Original Rastus wrote:
Are you making a joke here? US 1500 meter running is pretty non-existent.
The US is one the best 1500m countries in the world.
We know Kenya is the best.
Which country is #2?
Maybe the US when you look at 1500m medals for men over the last 10 years.
You guys are unbelievable. How about over the last 4 years which is more contemporary, seeing as there is a whole different cast on the world scene than there was in 2016.
2017 and 2019 Worlds
3 finalists, highest finish 8th.