IMO Katir is clean, here's why I think that

Passant wrote:

Number 18 wrote:

So he is 100% Spanish. Right. His Moroccan background has nothing to do with his success, at least not in an environmental or doping sense.

Taste the deception and have balls (boules d 'engine) silently.

I could write books about your jumps and falls (using all sort of tactics).

Never point the picture of Sebastian Coe near Abdeslam Ahizoun, because we have no assurance if he was not dirty as sportif.

Explain to me the sudden "decline" of England in International Cross Country after 1970.

Something not right there !!!!!

(I'm using your same semantics)

What are you talking about? How about you stay off the drugs, and maybe then you could present some cogent arguments?

If England did decline after 1970 (around the time blood doping became a thing) in Cross Country, it was most likely the same reason as to why England suddenly declined at exactly the time EPO became a thing around 1990.

I'd be more concerned at the countries that suddenly IMPROVED when new doping techniques became available. Hint, Hint Moroocco.

From the shadows wrote:

The guy did 2x1km in 2'18" in Pegasus 36 in training. From there 3'28" is not surprising imo.

Welp, case closed.

Katir is uber-Rexing.

I think most ofyou are sleeping on the Asics Metaspeed D0 .....

12342517462 wrote:

Shut up and accept the fact that he has worked hard over several years and is being rewarded for that. If he were using drugs he surely would've been caught in a test. He's from Spain, they are much more frequent with their testing than several other nations.

Good points. At least, they would be good points, if it was in fact difficult to defeat drug testing, or if Spain had a reputation as one of the "cleaner" countries as far as PEDs are concerned.

Hold my Hot Pocket wrote:

12342517462 wrote:

Shut up and accept the fact that he has worked hard over several years and is being rewarded for that. If he were using drugs he surely would've been caught in a test. He's from Spain, they are much more frequent with their testing than several other nations.

Good points. At least, they would be good points, if it was in fact difficult to defeat drug testing, or if Spain had a reputation as one of the "cleaner" countries as far as PEDs are concerned.

Spain Athletics do not care. Go pass the time in the National training centre. You can see it for yourself.

From the shadows wrote:

The guy did 2x1km in 2'18" in Pegasus 36 in training. From there 3'28" is not surprising imo.

He’s sponsored by ASICS so he clearly wasn’t wearing pegs

12342517462 wrote:If he were using drugs he surely would've been caught in a test.

That's false.

The Spanish authorities are only now (2021) making strides against the labs supplying PEDs

"Police take down 'industrial-scale' doping lab in Spain, seize three million drug doses | Cycling Weekly"

Five is the magic number wrote:

The missing piece here seems to be what he has been doing for a living up until now - and how much that would have allowed him to train even he wanted to do more.

There would be a huge difference between say 60-80 hours a week minimum wage something immigrant black market physical job, and part time student in something non-physical within the Spanish school/university system.

Some answers, more questions:

"Mohamed Katir: "I came out of nowhere" - The News 24"

According to him, his success is due to spending the pandemic in a solitary and cloistered environment.

Far away from the testers.

His coach's wife was offered PEDs during her rw career.

¿Te ofrecieron alguna sustancia prohibida en alguna ocasión durante tu carrera como atleta profesional? ¿Cómo reaccionaste?

Sí que me llegaron a ofrecer sustancias, sí. Hasta he llegado a tener algún entrenador que me ha dicho que, si me dopaba, me entrenaría de una manera y sino de otra, en relación al nivel. Me imagino que si te dopas puedes rendir mucho más y llegar a velocidades que tú no puedes llegar sino tomas alguna sustancia.

"María Vasco: “Por mucho que me cambiaran la medalla, nada cambiaría en mi vida”"

https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/junior-report/20200210/473330273114/maria-vasco-atleta-dopaje-olimpiadas.html?facet=amp

Katir is probably the only European runner that can go under 3:27

Let's see his progression the next year.

He is running 3000m on 13 July before Olympics.

I read another Spanish article that claimed he only began running at age 18.

According to the above, he ran 3;52 at 17. So he improved by 16 seconds over 5 years from age 17 to 22, and then 8 seconds in one year at 23.

This article says he didn't start running until age 18 in a Spanish town that had no track. In 5 years he went from 0 to 3:28 1500m. All the EPO in the world is not taking you to 3:28 in 5 years. Sorry. You just need to be insanely talented. He didn't hear much of him because he has literally not been running that long.

His coach is Gaby Llorente. His manager was also Fermin Cacho's manager. There seems to be some connection back to the old Spanish 1500m greats. I can't find any references to Gaby Llorente's training regime though. Anyone know?

I found this quote interesting : “He traces the very hard training of Ingebrigtsen to him." What does this mean? He's training with the Ingibritsens? If so that means he's doing high mileage, tons of threshold work.

I think this lad is clean. Not only that, he hasn't reached his potential. It would be fitting of a Moroccan-born runner takes down El G's record.

He is tested at least from January 2021 and took part in the European Championship beginning Mars and ranked 4 in the 3000.

I don't think European championship take runners without tests.

Passant wrote:I don't think European championship take runners without tests.

To make the Euro indoor euros, Katir would only have needed to gone through Spain's qualification process and hold a valid certification for having completed European Athletics Anti-Doping Education Programme – I Run Clean.

Using a Spanish name don't make you a Spanish.

Number 18 wrote:

I read another Spanish article that claimed he only began running at age 18.

According to the above, he ran 3;52 at 17. So he improved by 16 seconds over 5 years from age 17 to 22, and then 8 seconds in one year at 23.

His first results in the RFEA database are from 2012/13:

when he was 14 or 15. He ran a 2:43 in the 1000 at the age of 15.

A few years later he was winning most of the races he ran. In 2016/17 he has very few results, but 3:52 1500m. The next year 2017/18 he has many results, so clearly something changed about when he was 18 and he got more serious.