POSE is a f***ing joke!!!

it seems gay triathletes love blowing

Your just upset because of all the triathletes out there that could smoke you in a 5k/10k. Stop being a Doshhhhhhhhh Bagggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.

Pose does teach proper mechanics of running. I believe most good runners use many of the techniques that are taught.

Lay off the tri-guys, some of them are excellent athletes. In America - we don't appreciate them but if you look to the likes of Australia or New Zealand - there triathletes get much respect. But like I said that's Amereica being America -- we like bringing people down. How could you disrespect someone who is doing tri's? I mean this people are leading a healthy lifestyle. I just don't understand your ignorance people.

TENTH GRADE PHYSICS wrote:

JJF wrote:

there is no such thing as falling foward? gravity does act perpendicular to the earth, but contributes to angular movement in some cases. for example, an object sliding down a frictionless slope. also, try this: get in the push-up position, then slide your hands out to the sides. why is your face in the ground horizontally ahead of where it started? hmmmmm... hope that didn't hurt too bad.

There is no such thing as falling forward. An object sliding down a slope moves in the horizontal plane due to the horizontal component of the normal force that the slope surface exerts on it, not because gravity "pulls it forward."

And people say that Let'srun.com is nothing but immature, stupid rubbish. Look at the knowledge being presented here. Write about this one, RW and SI.

POSE is a short-cut to the way the elite run - it takes years of running for you to become more efficient if you just got out there and run. Bottom-line POSE shows you how to run in a more efficient manner without the miles and miles underneath you.

aa is for quitters wrote:

This means, that if you lean, and do not adjust your stance, you will fall down (obviously). Therefore, gravity is "assisting your running" and it pulls all of your body besides your feet forward.

But gravity isn't "pulling you forward". It's making you fall so YOU move forward to compensate. You are still providing the energy of forward motion since presumably your center of mass doesn't drop. There's no free lunch.

Michael Johnson's runing style looks very close to the Pose Method. Very smooth style.

Prof. Evil wrote:

But gravity isn't "pulling you forward". It's making you fall so YOU move forward to compensate. You are still providing the energy of forward motion since presumably your center of mass doesn't drop. There's no free lunch.

Correct, and that's why it sucks from the standpoint of running economy (which has been demonstrated in one scientific paper on Pose).

You CAN "fall forward." Sprinters do this during the drive phase. It is the fastest way to accelerate--as long as you CAN accelerate. But sprinters have lousy running economy, and that's the problem here. As Dr. Michael Yessis has pointed out, if you run leaning forward, you are constantly falling and forcing yourself to accelerate to catch yourself. If you do this as a distance runner trying to maintain a steady pace, you run slower than you otherwise might because of poor running economy from bad technique (Pose).

If you want to run faster, look here:

Hips forward (not lean forward), torso erect.

Speed Kills, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Suzy's footstrike would be better off more underneath her hips. In my opinion she is still over reaching. In terms of what equals greatest efficiency I believe one must land with the ball of the foot underneath their hips. Any variation from this equals less efficiency (in my opinion). I also believe that the Pose Method of running is the best metodology of teaching running technique today.

JHuffman wrote:

Speed Kills, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Suzy's footstrike would be better off more underneath her hips.

I disagree JHuffman.

In an effort to improve my own running form I've looked at every photo of an elite runner I could find and they all have their foot in front of their hips when the first strike the ground. I think it has to do with the speed at which they are running: their hips are actually over their foot by the time it is supporting any weight.

[quote]trackhead wrote:

Now tilt forward (and you begin to run).

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So basically, POSE method is like riding a Segway? Do you lean back to stop?

Speed Kills: I've correct your inaccuracies on these points in another thread. Enough already.

Pintp: Foot touches ground just ahead of the general center of mass, but it reaches support under the hips.

Re: the "no free lunch" comment. Pose doesn't say that running becomes effortless. It looks to minimize interference (e.g., no added effort to overcome overstriding, no excessive use of hip flexor) and to take advantage of muscle elasticity. I do find it easier and just as fast as my old style, but it's still lots of work obviously.

MJ wrote:

Michael Johnson's runing style looks very close to the Pose Method. Very smooth style.

Michael Johnson is most famous for the manner in which he runs almost completely UPRIGHT. (Oh yeah, and for those World Records and Gold medals too.) The POSE method stresses leaning forward.

How the good Dr. relates MJ to his theory is beyong me... except to get him more hits from searches on "Micheal Johnson".

Oh yeah, I can't type worth a bag of beans.

How the good Dr. relates MJ to his theory is beyong me... except to get him more hits from searches on "Micheal Johnson".

You are misunderstanding the concept of lean. It is not a lean from the shoulders over the waist. It is just enough lean of your center of mass from the ball of the foot to unbalance. You then pull the foot from the ground, rapidly changing support minimizing the amount that your foot blocks your momemtum. MJ actually did execute the elements of Pose (not saying he ran Pose).

The Next Great Thing wrote:

So basically, POSE method is like riding a Segway? Do you lean back to stop?

probably the funniest thing i have ever read

If you have ever watched "recreational joggers" painfully make their way down the street and shuddered at their terrible form, or if you have watched the winners of races seemingly float, then you have observed that there is such thing as a good and bad way of running. It all comes down to being efficient in energy usage.

If every time you land your foot is out in front of you, then the rest of your body is behind, and most likely leaning slightly backwards to compensate. When the runners foot is in front, and especially if it is heel striking, the momentum is put to a hault every time the foot lands. On the other hand, if the foot is underneath it can be quickly pulled back up into the position under your butt where potential energy is highest with no wasted movement, which is wasted energy that could have gone towards forward movement.

There is no way to argue with this logic.

Ahh, those pictures make me miss the track and good weather. No standing about with icicles forming in your recoveries :(