Australia and New Zealand go into COVID lockdown and reinstate restrictions

It's happening in Sydney because the premier is a buzzkill that has to slap a lockdown on every time there is a holiday or school holidays.

US dad wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

The New Zealand and Australia vaccination effort has been among if the worst, if not the absolute worst in the developed world....

Your fact-free analysis is simply wrong. NZ intelligently used its available limited vaccine supplies to vaccinate its workers exposed international travel (mainly airlines and air freight) and its healthcare first responders. It has the same sensible plan as other developed nations of proceeding to then vaccinate the general populace starting with those most at risk of adverse health consequences and proceeding through to those least at risk. The fact that the country graciously agreed to allow other more COVID-ravaged countries to receive vaccines before them hardly makes their vaccination effort one of the worst.

NZ has vaccinated less people per captia than the poorest EU country (North Macedonia), Jordan and Mexico and barely beats out Malaysia in per captia vaccination. Australia is even worse off.

If New Zealand deliberately gave up their “spot in line” for vaccines and this put their own people at greater risk this is a sign of a government that does not put its peoples interests first. In fact it put its own people among the last in the world for vaccinations.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

If New Zealand deliberately gave up their “spot in line” for vaccines and this put their own people at greater risk this is a sign of a government that does not put its peoples interests first. In fact it put its own people among the last in the world for vaccinations.

So one person dying from Covid in the whole of 2021 and you're accusing the NZ government of putting the people at risk?

I ask again, what is it about this country that upsets you so much? You clearly have some irrational issues if, out of all the countries in the world, the one with barely any Covid is the one you focus on as somewhere that's doing a poor job.

Egypt say (Health Minister, a women) that they have usine ready to produce 3 millions of Sinopharm vaccins per day. Do you believe this joke? knowing that Egypt is among the countries that have the less transparent stat data system.

trollism wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

If New Zealand deliberately gave up their “spot in line” for vaccines and this put their own people at greater risk this is a sign of a government that does not put its peoples interests first. In fact it put its own people among the last in the world for vaccinations.

So one person dying from Covid in the whole of 2021 and you're accusing the NZ government of putting the people at risk?

I ask again, what is it about this country that upsets you so much? You clearly have some irrational issues if, out of all the countries in the world, the one with barely any Covid is the one you focus on as somewhere that's doing a poor job.

If the New Zealand government purposely put its people in the back of the COVID vaccine line and the COVID vaccine saves lives then yes, the NZ government put its people in very real risk.

NZ and Australia were put up as the models of how to react to COVID early in the pandemic. I’m merely pointing out why this isn’t true. The United States is judged harshly constantly by the rest of the world. I hold other countries to the same standards.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

If the New Zealand government purposely put its people in the back of the COVID vaccine line and the COVID vaccine saves lives then yes, the NZ government put its people in very real risk.

NZ and Australia were put up as the models of how to react to COVID early in the pandemic. I’m merely pointing out why this isn’t true. The United States is judged harshly constantly by the rest of the world. I hold other countries to the same standards.

People can't die of COVID if nobody has got COVID. It's pretty simple.

The vaccine only saves lives if the disease is doing the rounds.

Come on, it's not rocket science.

I think Australia has had one covid related death this year. Not sure about NZ. More people have died from vaccine complications.

trollism wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

If the New Zealand government purposely put its people in the back of the COVID vaccine line and the COVID vaccine saves lives then yes, the NZ government put its people in very real risk.

NZ and Australia were put up as the models of how to react to COVID early in the pandemic. I’m merely pointing out why this isn’t true. The United States is judged harshly constantly by the rest of the world. I hold other countries to the same standards.

People can't die of COVID if nobody has got COVID. It's pretty simple.

The vaccine only saves lives if the disease is doing the rounds.

Come on, it's not rocket science.

So instead of letting their people live in a society with a greatly reduced threat of lockdown & restrictions theNZ government decided to have its people live with a constant threat of lockdowns & restrictions. This is exactly what the NZ gov did when the put their people in “back of the line” for vaccines.

Furthermore, viruses like COVID can always “seap through the cracks” even in the most isolated closed bordered countries, as we see currently in Australia and NZ. By putting themselves “in back of the line” these cracks are more likely to result in the deaths of their people.

trollism wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

If New Zealand deliberately gave up their “spot in line” for vaccines and this put their own people at greater risk this is a sign of a government that does not put its peoples interests first. In fact it put its own people among the last in the world for vaccinations.

So one person dying from Covid in the whole of 2021 and you're accusing the NZ government of putting the people at risk?

I ask again, what is it about this country that upsets you so much? You clearly have some irrational issues if, out of all the countries in the world, the one with barely any Covid is the one you focus on as somewhere that's doing a poor job.

And I ask, what is it about this thread that upsets you so much? You clearly have some irrational issues.

Passant wrote:

Egypt say (Health Minister, a women) that they have usine ready to produce 3 millions of Sinopharm vaccins per day. Do you believe this joke? knowing that Egypt is among the countries that have the less transparent stat data system.

Seychelles had no deaths until they started vaccinations. Now they have the highest rate of new cases and 13th highest rate of new deaths even though they are one of the most highly vaccinated countries (Using Sinopharm / Sinovac). If they are relying on Chinese vaccines to get them out of this, they will be sorely disappointed.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

trollism wrote:

People can't die of COVID if nobody has got COVID. It's pretty simple.

The vaccine only saves lives if the disease is doing the rounds.

Come on, it's not rocket science.

So instead of letting their people live in a society with a greatly reduced threat of lockdown & restrictions theNZ government decided to have its people live with a constant threat of lockdowns & restrictions. This is exactly what the NZ gov did when the put their people in “back of the line” for vaccines.

Furthermore, viruses like COVID can always “seap through the cracks” even in the most isolated closed bordered countries, as we see currently in Australia and NZ. By putting themselves “in back of the line” these cracks are more likely to result in the deaths of their people.

Still very interested in what your problem is? Is it an insecurity thing when people praise these countries over yours? I guess given you've had the whole 'greatest country in the world' thing indoctrinated into you from a young age, you really can't bear to see other countries be more successful?

You're clearly not going back down despite being wrong at a level only Bad Wigins could aspire to.

Do you accept that compared to what countries, including the mighty USA, have dealt with. A couple of days with one city having to wear masks on the bus and no gatherings of more than 100 people is a very minor restriction?

ImpaIa31 wrote:

And I ask, what is it about this thread that upsets you so much? You clearly have some irrational issues.

I might have issues with the thread, but they're hardly irrational.

Someone who says a country with barely any COVID and 4 deaths in a whole year is doing badly compared to the disaster we've seen elsewhere. That's irrational thinking.

My view that NZ and Aus have been very successful is completely rational, if you're intelligent enough to interpret basic statistics. (Or in this case, not hysterically describe a couple of minor restrictions as FULL LOCKDOWN AMAGAD!!!!!)

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""-'-"--^' wrote:

Florida and Texas, which actually care about people and human rights are laughing at these slow, full of themselves and incompetent govermment institutions.

As of yesterday, in the previous seven days no state in the U.S. had a Covid-19 death rate higher than Florida's. But yeah, the FL gummint (DeSantis et al.) figure that if they just keep quiet about it, they can skate.

And there are lots of folks like you, so they very well might.

trollism wrote:

ImpaIa31 wrote:

And I ask, what is it about this thread that upsets you so much? You clearly have some irrational issues.

I might have issues with the thread, but they're hardly irrational.

Someone who says a country with barely any COVID and 4 deaths in a whole year is doing badly compared to the disaster we've seen elsewhere. That's irrational thinking.

My view that NZ and Aus have been very successful is completely rational, if you're intelligent enough to interpret basic statistics. (Or in this case, not hysterically describe a couple of minor restrictions as FULL LOCKDOWN AMAGAD!!!!!)

The basic misunderstanding between you and I is that I value individual freedom over safety. You seem to value the opposite.

Australia deployed the military against its citizens in order to enforce a lockdown.

I would take the <1% risk of getting sick and that kind of tyranny any day. You, on the other hand, seem willing to accept that tyranny. There is no objectively right answer- it just depends on the kind of society one wants to live in.

joed|rt wrote:

Passant wrote:

Egypt say (Health Minister, a women) that they have usine ready to produce 3 millions of Sinopharm vaccins per day. Do you believe this joke? knowing that Egypt is among the countries that have the less transparent stat data system.

Seychelles had no deaths until they started vaccinations. Now they have the highest rate of new cases and 13th highest rate of new deaths even though they are one of the most highly vaccinated countries (Using Sinopharm / Sinovac). If they are relying on Chinese vaccines to get them out of this, they will be sorely disappointed.

I am not entirely certain what Passant was trying to communicate but I agree with Joedirt in this case. Especially with the Delta variant, I have significant concerns about the degree to which the less-effective vaccines can control spread. I continue have confidence in the mRNA vaccines in this regard. AstraZeneca and Novavax will probably do a decent job.

that'll tiech them blokes to ignoah masks

man dien under wrote:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-25/four-local-areas-of-sydney-to-lock-down-as-delta-cluster-spreadshttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/wellington-may-face-covid-lockdown-visit-infected-australian-tourist-new-zealand

New Zealand and Australia, once touted as the prime examples of how to handle COVID, go into yet another lockdown and reinstate restrictions while the rest of the first world start to leave COVID behind.

Do these two countries have a game plan on how to vaccinate their people and/or stop constantly locking down? It appears neither country have evolved since the first day of COVID response (simply shutdown their respective countries).

It's winter there. Flu season

Our girl, Trollism, doesn't like the facts (unless they come from CNNs misinformation page). Don't waste your time.

Always amuses me when I see post on this forum exalting “freedom” from posters, one suspects, that do not hold a passport and live in a nation that doesn’t even crack the top 10 on the global freedom index.

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2020