World record holder Daniel Komen didn't understand the concept of Time?

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:I do have a good story about Komen though. I once stayed for a week next door to his place in Teddington with some guys (including Bob Kennedy) and Komen was having some trouble with the Dyson vacuum cleaner he had bought and trying to get it to work. Turns out the problem was he couldn't find the retractable cord and didn't realize he had to plug it in - so the story of him also not understanding things like time and even the concept of "effort" is completely plausible.

So because Komen mistakenly thought his vacuum was cordless, it's "completely plausible" that he doesn't know what time and effort are? Bullshirt.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

He probably had a cyclical rather than linear conception of time. Laps would have been how he understood time, not the clock.

A bit like a racehorse?

I honestly don’t know what you mean, but I know I don’t like the sound of it.

So primitive they wouldn't wipe out entire villages and races like the unprimitive have proven good at doing time and time again.

[The condescenscion of some of you idiots is incomprehensible. You insult societies that had/have elaborate coming-of-age rituals -- based on time -- about how they do not understand the concept of time? That had calendars before your murderers plundered our lands?]

Which African colleagues and at what school? African time, as I understand it and as it is used in Uganda, Kenya, and South Africa, etc, refers to the concept of Africans disregarding schedules and deadlines. So if a meeting is scheduled for 9am, that is 10:30am in African time.

barney23 wrote:

So primitive they wouldn't wipe out entire villages and races like the unprimitive have proven good at doing time and time again.

Primitive people are extremely violent. You sound like a looney leftist who bought into the "noble savage" myth.

There are no "remote jungle" villages in Kenya. Uganda, probably, or the DRC, most likely, but "jungle" is not a term that would apply to Kenya. Mind your language, do some research, read some. And it it was a term used by the Johnson brothers, they'd better educate themselves (esp the Rojo individual).

If Kenyans don't have any concept of time, then perhaps it explains why Manangoi managed to get caught up in a 4 AM traffic jam heading out of Nairobi. Perhaps Jonathon Gault should write an article pleading with the AIU to pardon Manangoi on that basis, and we may yet see him in Tokyo!

Let's here more about this flat circle.

OK, so Komen maybe was the only one who did understand time.

There is no such thing as an absolute linear time.

Here's a good read

https://www.amazon.com/Order-Time-Carlo-Rovelli/dp/073521610X

knox harrington wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:I do have a good story about Komen though. I once stayed for a week next door to his place in Teddington with some guys (including Bob Kennedy) and Komen was having some trouble with the Dyson vacuum cleaner he had bought and trying to get it to work. Turns out the problem was he couldn't find the retractable cord and didn't realize he had to plug it in - so the story of him also not understanding things like time and even the concept of "effort" is completely plausible.

So because Komen mistakenly thought his vacuum was cordless, it's "completely plausible" that he doesn't know what time and effort are? Bullshirt.

No - Komen was just a very simple guy - hence why he didn't know he had to plug his vacuum cleaner in in order for it to work. Because of that simplicity yes it's plausible when he started running he had no idea what a "time" was and the associated effort for said arbitrary unit of measure.

Considering I met the guy multiple times and talked with him a few times I would say quite unequivocally that in this case I might have better chance of grasping this than you, you tw@t.

Canova has said it many times..

Westerners think of training as ‘how far?’

Kenyans think of training as ‘how fast?’

Westerners also obsess over the minutia. Look how many prediction threads are written here on a daily basis.

How fast can I run with this workout, etc. etc.

Komen probably just ran as fast as he was told to. And if he couldn’t hold that pace then he would just come back next rep and try again. Practice after practice, day after day.

Let’s not forget he was incredibly talented. That absolutely plays a role.

Westerners get an idea and beat it into the ground and create barriers with their mind.

globalview3 wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

so primitive they haven't invented getting tired yet?

Interesting that these posters use such colonial language and yet the runners mentioned have done things far beyond what the posters will ever do!

That "colonial language" is a JOKE. Doesn't anyone have a sense of humor any more? I have about as left a voting record as you could have and I not only recognize it as a joke, but a clever one at that.

Oh paleeeeese.

Komen knew time, Africans know time.

C’mon man.

‘Pre knew no pain!’

(Other than 121 pound Harold Norpoth always kicking his ass)

Revisionist history.

Woke running narrative.

Ha!

What do you mean "which" African colleagues? You want their names? I'm not stating where I was exactly, but it's not used just to mean 'lateness' but also that if you're talking with friends, that's more important than meeting a deadline with others, for instance. European society was also transformed by shifts to clock time and artificial lighting (which was not yet hooked up to the grid at the school where I taught at the time but only in the town), because people's sense of time without clocks and lights is governed less by quantitative machines than a general sense and the sun. I'm not saying this was the case for Komen or anyone else, just that Komen's coach or agent made that claim about him, and that my fellow teachers said the same.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

knox harrington wrote:

So because Komen mistakenly thought his vacuum was cordless, it's "completely plausible" that he doesn't know what time and effort are? Bullshirt.

No - Komen was just a very simple guy - hence why he didn't know he had to plug his vacuum cleaner in in order for it to work. Because of that simplicity yes it's plausible when he started running he had no idea what a "time" was and the associated effort for said arbitrary unit of measure.

Considering I met the guy multiple times and talked with him a few times I would say quite unequivocally that in this case I might have better chance of grasping this than you, you tw@t.

Then how could he understand the complexities of "modern training" enumerated so often here by Canova and rekrunner? Maybe running is still just running as fast as you can for as long as you can?

There are no jungles in Africa. Jungles are in Asia and South America

faster than 14.10 wrote:

There are no jungles in Africa. Jungles are in Asia and South America

There are - in the Congo. But "jungle" is a descriptive term, not a scientific one. "Rainforest" is the scientific term - and they exist in the Congo.

LRC note. For those of you who didn't listen to the podcast. We started talking about Komen at the 71:36 mark here:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Then how could he understand the complexities of "modern training" enumerated so often here by Canova and rekrunner? Maybe running is still just running as fast as you can for as long as you can?

No one says they do.

If you run in groups, then you follow the experienced runners who know what works, or the instructions of a coach who knows.

If all your training is on the roads, and you don't own a watch, how would you guage running 65 second quarters on the track?

Armstronglivs wrote:

faster than 14.10 wrote:

There are no jungles in Africa. Jungles are in Asia and South America

There are - in the Congo. But "jungle" is a descriptive term, not a scientific one. "Rainforest" is the scientific term - and they exist in the Congo.

Plenty of jungles or rainforests in Africa, nearly a quarter of the continent is covered with rain forests:

"The vast African rainforest stretches across much of the central African continent, encompassing the following countries in its woods: Benin, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Central African Republic, Comoros, Congo, Cote d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast), Democratic Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, ​​Mauritania, Mauritius, Mozambique, Niger, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, Sao Tome and Principe, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sudan, Tanzania, Togo, Uganda, Zambia, and Zimbabwe."

By Steve Nix

Updated July 09, 2019