Jakob opens at 3:36 vs Cheptegei opens at 3:37

Be Teasonable wrote:

jeff tallon wrote:

I wouldnt have thought the sport is dying.It doesnt appear to be.

It was in intensive care, but thanks to some semblance of testing in Africa and the emergence of the likes of Jakob and now Max Burgin, and lot's of exciting talent in the women's as well, it's likely to experience a resurgence of interest.

You mean, Brazier, Jakob, Kiplimo, Kandie, Katir, Hoare, McSweyn, Burgin, etc.

Yes.

rshrhr wrote:

Be Teasonable wrote:

The difference is that over the course of a year, Jakob will be tested at least 10 x as much as the Ugandan, with little or no chance of bribes to testers etc.

Not saying that it's impossible Jakob could be doping, but if he is then it would be small scale compared to the top East Africans and probably more like 'bending the rules' Al Sal style.

Joshua races a lot in Europe. Whatever bribes you are implying (yeah, yeah, "tea money") that does not apply to the European races.

And don't forget Jakob spends a lot of time training in places like South Africa.

Also, don't forget that Jakob's brother figured on the suspicious list and that that family is the win at all costs type (they say it themselves - they don't care about the sport, they care about winning).

Chepty knows exactly when he'll get tested in Europe, targeting a race. He's got 4-5 free months of doping in with no concern to be tested properly in wild africa.

Jakob has not trained a lot in places like South Africa. He's trained a lot in Europe & the US.

A list provided by some hackers means nothing, and yes, they have a desire to win. If you don't have a desire to win then you likely never will.

Honssson wrote:

They are both likely doping. They are not banned because the sport is dying.

Bear in mind Honssson thinks the 50 year old women who pass him on the local track are "doping" too...

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Honssson wrote:

They are both likely doping. They are not banned because the sport is dying.

Bear in mind Honssson thinks the 50 year old women who pass him on the local track are "doping" too...

You have no idea what it is like to be an elite runner. I could try to explain it to you but if you think that the fastest ever at 5000 and 10000 and a 3:28 Norwegian teenager were clean I can tell you have no business offering f any opinion on ANYTHING.

Honssson wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Bear in mind Honssson thinks the 50 year old women who pass him on the local track are "doping" too...

You have no idea what it is like to be an elite runner. I could try to explain it to you but if you think that the fastest ever at 5000 and 10000 and a 3:28 Norwegian teenager were clean I can tell you have no business offering f any opinion on ANYTHING.

Posters here regularly explicitly claim that white runners must be doping simply because they are fast and white, yet when I say all Kenyans at this stage are unfortunately suspicious because of 150+ busts, I'm obviously a member of the KKK.

What do people think potato Tim has to do on Friday to match Jakob's performance yesterday? (serious question).

potato Tim?

Coevett wrote:

What do people think potato Tim has to do on Friday to match Jakob's performance yesterday? (serious question).

Win the race? With Musagala, McSweyn, Barega, Tefera, Birgen, Musab and El Bakkali, it’s a stronger field than competed in Gateshead. Of course, conditions will likely be more conducive to 1500m running, so I’ll say Cheruiyot throws down a 3:30.6 world lead, and exactly like Ingebrigtsen yesterday, he beats McSweyn by 1.05 seconds.

Coevett wrote:

Posters here regularly explicitly claim that white runners must be doping simply because they are fast and white

In 18 years of Letsrun I have never read a serious post where someone claimed that white runners must be doping simply because they are fast and white.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Win the race? With Musagala, McSweyn, Barega, Tefera, Birgen, Musab and El Bakkali, it’s a stronger field than competed in Gateshead. Of course, conditions will likely be more conducive to 1500m running, so I’ll say Cheruiyot throws down a 3:30.6 world lead, and exactly like Ingebrigtsen yesterday, he beats McSweyn by 1.05 seconds.

Yes, I'd say winning by .4 or more and running 3:31.5 or faster would be keeping pace. Since it's Doha figuring it will be air-conditioned and perfect conditions. It was a really composed victory for Jakob in Gateshead. I would've liked to see what would've happened if there was a big kicker in the field, but he did a nice job vs. Hoare.

dumb & dumber wrote:

Jakob has not trained a lot in places like South Africa. He's trained a lot in Europe & the US.

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Idiot alert... wrote:

Did you see the conditions and how the field responded to them? You might be the most incompetent person on these boards. Not a relevant comparison. Check back when he opens in 3:36 and the winner goes 3:30 in solid conditions.

You are making my point. It’s like you just glossed over the conditions in Cheptegei’s race.

rshrhr wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Posters here regularly explicitly claim that white runners must be doping simply because they are fast and white

In 18 years of Letsrun I have never read a serious post where someone claimed that white runners must be doping simply because they are fast and white.

0/10.

Not really worth replying to, but what does 'you're not telling me a Norwegian teen who runs 3:28 isn't doping' mean?

It's been pointed out here literally hundreds of times by dozens of posters that Seb Coe 'must have been doping' because no other white person has got close to his 1:41.7.

rshrhr wrote:

Be Teasonable wrote:

The difference is that over the course of a year, Jakob will be tested at least 10 x as much as the Ugandan, with little or no chance of bribes to testers etc.

Not saying that it's impossible Jakob could be doping, but if he is then it would be small scale compared to the top East Africans and probably more like 'bending the rules' Al Sal style.

Joshua races a lot in Europe. Whatever bribes you are implying (yeah, yeah, "tea money") that does not apply to the European races.

And don't forget Jakob spends a lot of time training in places like South Africa.

Also, don't forget that Jakob's brother figured on the suspicious list and that that family is the win at all costs type (they say it themselves - they don't care about the sport, they care about winning).

Speculations and cherry picking. What other places "like South Africa". St. Moritz? USA? At all costs? When and where did they say that? . And the Fancy Bear , I see.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Coevett wrote:

What do people think potato Tim has to do on Friday to match Jakob's performance yesterday? (serious question).

Win the race? With Musagala, McSweyn, Barega, Tefera, Birgen, Musab and El Bakkali, it’s a stronger field than competed in Gateshead. Of course, conditions will likely be more conducive to 1500m running, so I’ll say Cheruiyot throws down a 3:30.6 world lead, and exactly like Ingebrigtsen yesterday, he beats McSweyn by 1.05 seconds.

Yes, I forgot that McSweyn was running in Doha. That will be a good comparison, especially if McSweyn is still in contention off the final bend, but I doubt that he will be.

Coevett wrote:

rshrhr wrote:

In 18 years of Letsrun I have never read a serious post where someone claimed that white runners must be doping simply because they are fast and white.

0/10.

Not really worth replying to, but what does 'you're not telling me a Norwegian teen who runs 3:28 isn't doping' mean?

It's been pointed out here literally hundreds of times by dozens of posters that Seb Coe 'must have been doping' because no other white person has got close to his 1:41.7.

Whatever you wrote there, it is not that "Posters here regularly explicitly claim that white runners must be doping simply because they are fast and white".

But I don't know why I bother replying to you, when you are known for your constant lies.

Is South Africa particularly dodgy place to train? As compared to Ethiopia? Didn't Nijel Amos almost get banned for being absent when the testers called while training in South Africa? I would have thought it would be the worst place to hide from testers in the whole of Africa (being the richest country by far and still one of the less corrupt etc).

KaareV wrote:

rshrhr wrote:

Joshua races a lot in Europe. Whatever bribes you are implying (yeah, yeah, "tea money") that does not apply to the European races.

And don't forget Jakob spends a lot of time training in places like South Africa.

Also, don't forget that Jakob's brother figured on the suspicious list and that that family is the win at all costs type (they say it themselves - they don't care about the sport, they care about winning).

Speculations and cherry picking. What other places "like South Africa". St. Moritz? USA? At all costs? When and where did they say that? . And the Fancy Bear , I see.

I am not saying Jakob is doping. I was playing devil's advocate.

South Africa is good for people accusing others of doping when they are not white. Europe is good for Makhloufi to be "caught". Fancy Bears are relevant for Mo and Galen.

Now I hope you see.