Mo Ahmed - Avila fall : Ahmed should be sanctioned in some way

duck sauce wrote:

Why didn’t the officials call them back?

That’s my question, too.

You can do a recall in the first 100m if there is a fall and that was only 30 m in.

I’m not saying Moh or Avila were angels. But Centro basically started on top of Wynne and 2 feet from Scott for no reason. It makes no sense and led to everything. Unless there’re 20 guys on the line everyone has space unless someone mysteriously starts on top of someone like Centro did.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I’m not saying Moh or Avila were angels. But Centro basically started on top of Wynne and 2 feet from Scott for no reason. It makes no sense and led to everything. Unless there’re 20 guys on the line everyone has space unless someone mysteriously starts on top of someone like Centro did.

Yeah you're right the start seemed needlessly cramped.

It was the heaaaaattttt of the moment!

Mo took it too far. Elbows happen. But Mo ultimately at fault.

First of all what does “of African decent even mean” he was literally born in Somalia which if you are too small brained to realize is in Africa. Second what on earth does this have to do with exonerating a POC it was two dudes duking it out on the start line and this person was just analyzing it.

Is Mo Ahmed the Brad Marchand of international athletics?

` wrote:

Good for Ahmed sticking up for himself. Avila full on body checked him at least 3 or 4 times. If you're going to knock someone over, you should go down too.

No no no, sorry.

I raced some of the most physical MD guys in history (Nils Schumann, Andre Bucher) just to name a few of them) and elbows/positional jostling is just part of the game - especially off the line (or in the case of the 800m when you break). This was no doubt a messy start but not the worst I've seen by any means. Bumps are part of professional running and it's almost impossible to lay full culpability with any one party. Avila could have backed off after initially getting whacked in the face with the blender arms but he is also entitled to compete for a spot on the track.

But there is a line you cross and the bottom line is that literally grabbing a guys vest and riding him to the ground like a freaking horse-collar tackle is completely idiotic and it's dangerous. Olympic trials/Tokyo are within the next 10 weeks and you are horse-collar tackling guys to the track? F-ing psychopath.

Raises an interesting point - in basketball you have flagrant fouls, 1 and 2 - 2 resulting in ejection and fine/game suspension. What is in place in track for stuff like this? (as infrequent as it is), because Ahmed should be fined for that BS.

He's Canadian, right? Must be an ice hockey thing they learn down there from a young age. They give you a cheap shot, you get them back.

wow. I didn't realize there was a big thread on this as I was writing the recap . I had started my own thread as I wasn't sure who was at fault (I deleted it but it was posed as a question - Who was at fault (if anyone) in the Mo Ahmed, Eric Avila, Henry Wynne shove fest that took out Avila and Ahmed??)

Anyways.

I was wondering who people thought was at fault. I k ind of view what happened at the start as regular 1500 shoving. The problem was Ahmed was WAY smaller than the other guys and was moving around like a ping pong ball.

Yes, once he was going down, he didn't need to take Avila with him, but maybe he did that on purpose hoping to make it obvious there should be a re-start? If anyone is sanctioned, I vote for the starter. No excuse not to bring that back.

But before that is Ahmed really at fault? I don't think so but need to watch it again. Both avila and Wynne make some very aggressive moves at him.

Watch the very start, it's Ahmed that gets shoved half a lane right at the gun,

Then look at the 42-43 second mark in the slow motion video below ahmed is clearly ahead of Wynne and Wynne just decides he's going to come by.

The problem is Ahmed's not use to this rough racing and both times he seems to think whether he's being shoved by Avila or Wynner that flailing his arms is going to stop things.

So at the end, yes blame Ahmed. But before that? I don't tihnk so.

I also think the starter didn't let them get set at the start and that was a real problem.

Here is a video I made that has it at regular speed and then slow mo the problem is the slow mo doesn't show the very start.

I think regardless of whether you're Team Avila or Team Mo we can all agree that starter dropped the freakin ball.

Watch the slow motion part again. The only reason Eric shoves Mo in the first place is because Mo is completely out of control. He instantly puts his arms up in the air, getting tangled with everyone, bouncing around 3 lanes.. Apparently that's Mo's move to hold his ground but it's completely idiotic and will result in people shoving him back every single time. Of course people will start to shove him back if this is going on for 50 meters. But for him to then pull Eric down by his collar is pretty embarrassing for him. AND to top it all off, Eric goes to give him a high five later in the race and Mo ignores him! Bad look for Mo all around.

He needs to practice getting off the line, keep his arms near his body, and run in a straight line or else this will happen again.

Don't be absurd, he doesn't pull him down on purpose. It's pure instinct to try and grab something when you're falling down.

110% agree.

OP here. Doesn't matter what happened before 40 seconds. Ahmed got shoved earlier and hard to say who was at "fault" for that (if anyone) but he had reset himself by then. I'm not totally sure that Wynne was at fault because, yeah, it looks from this camera angle a little like he tries to shove past Ahmed, but if you look at Wynne's feet he never moves to his right in the lane (towards Ahmed) during that post-40 seconds sequence. Regardless of that, Ahmed flails/careens to his right into Avila who puts his arm up as a defensive move. Agree with some others that Avila absolutely has the right to do that. Ahmed then flails/careens back to his left and, as he falls, grabs Avila and (again, as others have said) horse-collars Avila and drags him down. That part was super blatant. Maybe there's a case that Wynne shares the blame, but no way did Avila do anything wrong in that sequence post-40 seconds in your video. My reaction was totally on Ahmed dragging Avila down. Think that was blatant and intentional, and if anything he dragged down the wrong guy (not that that would have been warranted). As I said, if this were a league with a commissioner, I think Ahmed would deserve a one-meet suspension.

From the slow-mo, I couldn't see Avila as playing much of a role until he's pulled down. Moh and Wynne are tangled up from the beginning and Avila is sticking off to the left away from him, and Moh and Wynne are fighting like crazy before Moh starts to fall and grabs Avila's shoulder and jersey for the takedown. We know Moh's a great teammate and provided his teammates with an incredible 4600m of pacing in the sub-13 and 13 flat 5000m and we know he's a 12:47 guy but in my opinion he, the starter for not calling it back, and the meet director who set the field so big are to blame.

rojo wrote:

Then look at the 42-43 second mark in the slow motion video

weak sauce from Mo wrote:

OP here. Doesn't matter what happened before 40 seconds.

I think Rojo meant to say 4.2 to 4.3 second mark. By 40 seconds it was long over.

#1 Fire that starter!

#2 Mo was clear and more or less in balance for a few steps before he leans over into Avila into what looked like a vengeful/pissed off move which ends in the vest-yanking.

#3 Maybe the worst for me: when the field comes around for the first lap, on the left you can see Avila offering a conciliatory hand to Mo, who turns away from it. Just plain garbage sportsmanship.

# I've always been a Mo supporter (it was so cool to see him mix it with the Africans in Doha), but he just lost a fan.

Bonkers wrote:

Don't be absurd, he doesn't pull him down on purpose. It's pure instinct to try and grab something when you're falling down.

There is a difference between putting your hand on someone to try to regain balance but once you are clearly beyond recovery and are certain to fall you need to let go. In the photo he is clearly heading to the ground and STILL has his hand on Avila's shoulder.

after watching it in slow-mo 100% unitentional. looks like he is trying to regain balance.