ElGuerroujFan wrote:
not as it seems wrote:
He closed his last 3k in his 5k wr in 7:29/7:30, didn’t he?
I honestly didn't know about this. I would say that it is well within reach for him.
would make sense. he averaged 2:31 per k. so 7:33 at absolute worst!
It would entirely depend on his PED cycle.
Of course he will get it. That's why he runs 3.37 over 1500 - he's practicing putting 2 of them together.
jabouko wrote:
Sure, what should be the over/under?
7:26?
I mean Kiplimo ran a 7:26 recently and you have to give the edge to Cheptegai as the World Record holder in the 5000m. I would take the under on that, I'm thinking if he has a good race 7:23ish? Both Bekele and El G were in that range I think? He is in the same company.
Kiplimo has also the second fastest time in all times for juniors less 16 years in 3000m.
Of course there will be people that say, some Africain countries counterfeit the birth dates of runners.
Maybe his 1500m was run at 3k pace as a test. It's early to be in top shape to go after one of the best of all distance records. After the guys running 7:24-27 indoors and last October, I think he can get this in the late summer.
That channel always had awful click bait titles. I just skip them.
It makes sense to go for it early in the season when he's had 8 months of uninterrupted full throttle fuelling.
I think barega might be able to do it
I set that as the over/under but I personally think 7:24
Cheptegei ran 7:01.16 for his last 2800m in the 5000m world record. Komen didn’t have 26:11 ability, dragonflies or not. If Cheptegei can run 3:30 or under for 1500m he can run at least 7:20 for 3000m
ElGuerroujFan wrote:
New video from TotalRunningProductions. Rumors going around that Cheptegei, 5000 and 10000 meter world record holder will go after Daniel Komen's 25-year old 3000 meter world record time of 7:20.67. Will he be able to do it?
Will he use Dragonflys/supershoes?
Plugging his 5000m world record into a "Purdy" calculator predicts 7:16.25.
Daniels' VDOT predicts 7:12.53.
I see some think his recent 3:37, pre-season, at altitude, is too slow. Ignoring that 3:37 is unlikely representative of his true ability, running 3000m at 7:20 only requires 3:40 speed. So the speed is there -- the question will be whether he has the stamina to extend enough of that speed for 3000m.
Running a fast 3000m also fits in with extending his current 1500m speed to longer distances in preparation for 5000m and 10000m at the Olympics.
He can't do it.
Shoes have nothing to do with it. Venerable records started getting picked off years ago. Dibaba 1500. Ayana 10,000. Always by the one outlier athlete.
Now nothing's different, records still getting picked off. And still the one outlier, Gidey, Cheptegei. Only now it's "the shoes."
It's not shoes, it's the same thing it's always been, and that's why Cheptegei is already done. It wears off pretty quick and is hard to duplicate.
Bad Wigins wrote:
He can't do it.
Shoes have nothing to do with it. Venerable records started getting picked off years ago. Dibaba 1500. Ayana 10,000. Always by the one outlier athlete.
Now nothing's different, records still getting picked off. And still the one outlier, Gidey, Cheptegei. Only now it's "the shoes."
It's not shoes, it's the same thing it's always been, and that's why Cheptegei is already done. It wears off pretty quick and is hard to duplicate.
Maybe.
I just saw an NCAA analysis of the effect of super spikes, which suggests 1%, or 4.4 seconds.
If the Purdy and VDOT equivalency tables are anything to go by, a 7:20 for a 3000m is comparatively weak.
rekrunner wrote:
ElGuerroujFan wrote:
New video from TotalRunningProductions. Rumors going around that Cheptegei, 5000 and 10000 meter world record holder will go after Daniel Komen's 25-year old 3000 meter world record time of 7:20.67. Will he be able to do it?
Will he use Dragonflys/supershoes?
Plugging his 5000m world record into a "Purdy" calculator predicts 7:16.25.
Daniels' VDOT predicts 7:12.53.
I see some think his recent 3:37, pre-season, at altitude, is too slow. Ignoring that 3:37 is unlikely representative of his true ability, running 3000m at 7:20 only requires 3:40 speed. So the speed is there -- the question will be whether he has the stamina to extend enough of that speed for 3000m.
Running a fast 3000m also fits in with extending his current 1500m speed to longer distances in preparation for 5000m and 10000m at the Olympics.
He doesn't have the speed. 3.40 for 1500 means nothing. To put 2 of them together requires that he is capable of far faster over the 1500 - 3.30 or less. There is nothing he has done that indicates he has that kind of pace.
His endurance also requires ped's - but he will have no shortage of that.
rekrunner wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
He can't do it.
Shoes have nothing to do with it. Venerable records started getting picked off years ago. Dibaba 1500. Ayana 10,000. Always by the one outlier athlete.
Now nothing's different, records still getting picked off. And still the one outlier, Gidey, Cheptegei. Only now it's "the shoes."
It's not shoes, it's the same thing it's always been, and that's why Cheptegei is already done. It wears off pretty quick and is hard to duplicate.
Maybe.
I just saw an NCAA analysis of the effect of super spikes, which suggests 1%, or 4.4 seconds.
If the Purdy and VDOT equivalency tables are anything to go by, a 7:20 for a 3000m is comparatively weak.
A record that has stood for over 2 decades is "comparatively weak". Compared to what?
The shoes will make him faster but not EPO - or any other kind of ped? Go back to your basement.
Armstronglivs wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Plugging his 5000m world record into a "Purdy" calculator predicts 7:16.25.
Daniels' VDOT predicts 7:12.53.
I see some think his recent 3:37, pre-season, at altitude, is too slow. Ignoring that 3:37 is unlikely representative of his true ability, running 3000m at 7:20 only requires 3:40 speed. So the speed is there -- the question will be whether he has the stamina to extend enough of that speed for 3000m.
Running a fast 3000m also fits in with extending his current 1500m speed to longer distances in preparation for 5000m and 10000m at the Olympics.
He doesn't have the speed. 3.40 for 1500 means nothing. To put 2 of them together requires that he is capable of far faster over the 1500 - 3.30 or less. There is nothing he has done that indicates he has that kind of pace.
His endurance also requires ped's - but he will have no shortage of that.
You know nothing about elite training and performance. You are stuck in the past.
Fortunately you keep on posting your garbage to remind us not to pay attention to you.
Thank you.
Oh and if I was in Joshua's camp I would advise him to sue you for defamation. I would love to see the evidence you can produce to prove he is doping.
Armstronglivs wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Maybe.
I just saw an NCAA analysis of the effect of super spikes, which suggests 1%, or 4.4 seconds.
If the Purdy and VDOT equivalency tables are anything to go by, a 7:20 for a 3000m is comparatively weak.
A record that has stood for over 2 decades is "comparatively weak". Compared to what?
The shoes will make him faster but not EPO - or any other kind of ped? Go back to your basement.
*sigh*
Maybe get a class in reading comprehension?
Compared to what?
Read his posts carefully. He mentioned the equivalence tables. Joshua's 5000 and 10000 m records were mentioned as well.
5679 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He doesn't have the speed. 3.40 for 1500 means nothing. To put 2 of them together requires that he is capable of far faster over the 1500 - 3.30 or less. There is nothing he has done that indicates he has that kind of pace.
His endurance also requires ped's - but he will have no shortage of that.
You know nothing about elite training and performance. You are stuck in the past.
Fortunately you keep on posting your garbage to remind us not to pay attention to you.
Thank you.
Oh and if I was in Joshua's camp I would advise him to sue you for defamation. I would love to see the evidence you can produce to prove he is doping.
He would have to sue half of Letsrun.
5679 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
A record that has stood for over 2 decades is "comparatively weak". Compared to what?
The shoes will make him faster but not EPO - or any other kind of ped? Go back to your basement.
*sigh*
Maybe get a class in reading comprehension?
Compared to what?
Read his posts carefully. He mentioned the equivalence tables. Joshua's 5000 and 10000 m records were mentioned as well.
A 25 year old wr is weak? A record run only marginally slower in pace than many championship 1500 races only a few years earlier. Tables or no, you are a complete idiot.