Malmo:
HS Senior Track:
2/17 75
2/24 86
3/3 99
3/10 103
3/17 87
3/24 109
3/31 79 1 mile 4:23.5
4/7 95 2 mile 9:25.1 2 mile 9:17.1
4/14 76 2 mile 9:27.1 1 mile 4:21
4/21 85 2 mile 9:18.2
4/28 86 1 mile 4:17.9
5/5 100 1 mile 4:24.0
5/12 91 2 mile 9:30.6
5/19 82 2 mile 9:10.2
5/26 76
6/2 47 2 mile 9:15.0
6/9 41 1 mile 4:16.4
6/16 0
If you convert he went from 4:22.0 to 4:14.9 for the 1600, just keep working and trust the process and your coach
No way 4:15. You will ne
Now way 4:15. You will need 1:55 for that.
2 hours is plenty time to run nearly your max for the second time.
I would go for 4:20 pace and try to dip under by giving it all in the last lap.
Apologies ..when I posted he had not stated the timeframe of 800m apart. Thank you ..
coach wrote:
Horwill believed in a 4 second rule as you move up in distance. If you can average 60 seconds per 400 in your 800 race then you can run 64 seconds per 400 in the 1500 and 68 seconds per 400 in the 3000. Of course this assumes you're well trained aerobically but most HS kids aren't.
^^reasonable
There are plenty of 2:00 800 runners that can go 3:58-4:00 in the 1500.
Generally most 1500 runners prs equal 2x their 800 time or just under.
think first wrote:
Now way 4:15. You will need 1:55 for that.
2 hours is plenty time to run nearly your max for the second time.
I would go for 4:20 pace and try to dip under by giving it all in the last lap.
I was 2.05 and 4.00 for 1500
Runners run wrote:
Don't say no way. There are many guys who have done it so don't base it off your individual experience.
Maybe at the end of the season, I can see him going that 4:15, but right now? No. I would alsolike to add that three weeks after my 4:18 I went 4:13 and 1:56.
Armchair Expert wrote:
coach wrote:
Horwill believed in a 4 second rule as you move up in distance. If you can average 60 seconds per 400 in your 800 race then you can run 64 seconds per 400 in the 1500 and 68 seconds per 400 in the 3000. Of course this assumes you're well trained aerobically but most HS kids aren't.
^^reasonable
There are plenty of 2:00 800 runners that can go 3:58-4:00 in the 1500.
Generally most 1500 runners prs equal 2x their 800 time or just under.
This. But, per the original question you asked, “How fast can you go in the 1600 w a 2:00 800 PR?,” the answer is generally in the 4:22-4:24 neighborhood, unless you have just a massive aerobic base. I personally think you need to be at least 1:58 in the 800 to go 4:15 in the 1600, but that’s very doable still. I would also encourage your coach to put you in some 3200s, & then maybe have you double back in the 400. Good luck. I think it’s achievable.
Well I was 1:54 and 3:55 for 1500 and could have done 1600m in ca. 4:15. So i can hardly imagine someone running 4:15 off 2:00.
say wut?? wrote:
think first wrote:
Now way 4:15. You will need 1:55 for that.
2 hours is plenty time to run nearly your max for the second time.
I would go for 4:20 pace and try to dip under by giving it all in the last lap.
I was 2.05 and 4.00 for 1500
4:00
I know guys who ran 4 minutes and 1:54.
Runners run wrote:
I know guys who ran 4 minutes and 1:54.
Me too. ;-)
I primarily train for the long stuff such as the 5/10K, but I’ve done an 800 at 2:00 this year with a sub 4:20 full mile as well. Definitely possible if you train for 800/1600m events
Socialanxietyrunner wrote:
My 3200m i know would be low 9:30s, but it is officially 9:43 because before i ran a 1600m, 400m best was 54 after a workout.
I have not really done much fresh leg racing other than the 1600m.
So you're right in the sub 4:20 wheel house then. Shoot for that 1st and then see where you're at. Ignore the pessimists who say you can't go 4:15 w/o running a 1:55. I was a 1:57 HS runner who ran 4:16 and got down to 1:55/4:06 (3:50 1500) in college. There is no magic formula.
I’d have to think you’d be maxed out at around 4:18-4:20, but your average 2:00 high schooler is gonna be running anywhere between 4:25-4:40.
You’ve gotta have a crazy aerobic engine to make up for the lack of a speed engine.
think first wrote:
No way 4:15. You will ne
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Sub-9 guy wrote:
Armchair Expert wrote:
^^reasonable
There are plenty of 2:00 800 runners that can go 3:58-4:00 in the 1500.
Generally most 1500 runners prs equal 2x their 800 time or just under.
This. But, per the original question you asked, “How fast can you go in the 1600 w a 2:00 800 PR?,” the answer is generally in the 4:22-4:24 neighborhood, unless you have just a massive aerobic base. I personally think you need to be at least 1:58 in the 800 to go 4:15 in the 1600, but that’s very doable still. I would also encourage your coach to put you in some 3200s, & then maybe have you double back in the 400. Good luck. I think it’s achievable.
Distance runners do not compete in the 400. It's not called a "dash" for nothing.
say wut?? wrote:
indoorszn wrote:
If you’re an aerobic machine it’s theoretically possible, but unlikely. Maybe a 1:56
What is that supposed to mean? What is unlikely.
He absolutely does have 4.15 ability.
Unlikely he can run 4:15 rn
You ran 2:00 twice in a day?
I'd think you could handily break 4:10 in the 1500.
Whoops, that was an idiot reply. Sorry.
If you can run 2:00 twice in a day, you could likely run about 4:22 for a 1600.
Over here, I had a meet running an open half mile in 1:59.1, then a leg of the two mile relay in 2:01.0
A few weeks later I ran 4:20.9 for 1-mile. These are similar numbers that you talked about for the 800.
(Bear in mind, the half mile runs from this meet convert to roughly 1:58.3 and 2:00.2 over 800 meters.)
It also depends on your best 400, and your overall volume/strength. You are fast enough, but it your volume is there over time, you could indeed run a 4:15 1600 meter, or a 4:17ish mile.